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    Default progression of alertness

    it kind of dawned on me the other week, how (at least in our techniques list) the techniques seem to progress in states of alertness.. unaware, to aware, to taking the initiative.
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    Default Re: progression of alertness

    Not a member of AKKI, but our Professor was Mr. Mills training partner many times with Mr. Parker. We use a color code of awareness very similar to what you describe.... White is a state of unawareness la la land, Yellow a state of awareness, Orange - Heightened awareness, something is out of place, Red - Combat, survive.

    If you are in White, you have no choice you go immediately to red.

    If you are in Yellow, you can see something happening and have the chance to avoid going to red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Not a member of AKKI, but our Professor was Mr. Mills training partner many times with Mr. Parker. We use a color code of awareness very similar to what you describe.... White is a state of unawareness la la land, Yellow a state of awareness, Orange - Heightened awareness, something is out of place, Red - Combat, survive.

    If you are in White, you have no choice you go immediately to red.

    If you are in Yellow, you can see something happening and have the chance to avoid going to red.
    oh aye, thats a pretty solid model. what i was refering to was more the techniques and how they progress in terms of ready.. maybe alertness wasn't the best word to use :-p

    for instance yellow and orange belt techniques seem to start from more of an unaware, natural position.. purple, blue are more already in a fighting or at least prepaired by being in a neutral bow from the beginning. green seems to be more deceptive, since some of the techniques you're ready, but appearing unaware (arms folded, or scratching the chin, etc) and around brown you're taking the offensive and attacking first, or breaking down the attacker's defense.

    now that i think about it.. the techniques do follow that color coding system.. just in a slightly different way. always good to see how this stuff ties together. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Not a member of AKKI, but our Professor was Mr. Mills training partner many times with Mr. Parker. We use a color code of awareness very similar to what you describe.... White is a state of unawareness la la land, Yellow a state of awareness, Orange - Heightened awareness, something is out of place, Red - Combat, survive.

    If you are in White, you have no choice you go immediately to red.

    If you are in Yellow, you can see something happening and have the chance to avoid going to red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Not a member of AKKI, but our Professor was Mr. Mills training partner many times with Mr. Parker. We use a color code of awareness very similar to what you describe.... White is a state of unawareness la la land, Yellow a state of awareness, Orange - Heightened awareness, something is out of place, Red - Combat, survive.

    If you are in White, you have no choice you go immediately to red.

    If you are in Yellow, you can see something happening and have the chance to avoid going to red.
    Not to get too sing-songy but I've always thought the following was catchy and great tool...

    "White, yellow, orange, red,
    keep that code inside your head.
    Most the bad stuff that could happen
    only will if you're caught nappin."

    I saw it in someones signature somewhere and loved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael151 View Post
    Who is your Professor? Skip Hancock?
    Yes. My boogie boarding and hiking buddy and Professor.

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    The military and law enforcement community has added two more colors; grey and black. For most people, when your heart goes beyond 150bpm, you are that iddy-biddy possum staring at the headlights just before lights out. Your kenpo is crap and you'll be lucky not to #2 in your pants. Forget about rounding off lines and flattening circles.
    Grey is a new area only found in tried and tested professionals. Between 150-180 bpm, these types function at optimum levels of dexterity and cognizance. I drill the Color Code of Awareness into my students in just about every class. The best way to not get hit is to see it coming and be somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpokiwi View Post
    For most people, when your heart goes beyond 150bpm, you are that iddy-biddy possum staring at the headlights just before lights out. Your kenpo is crap and you'll be lucky not to #2 in your pants. Forget about rounding off lines and flattening circles. .
    hence why its important to train in staying calm during escalating situations, try and keep that heart rate down, and make sure you've got your basics hard wired in muscle memory. in multiple situations, work your stuff when you're drunk, sick, tired (sleep), exhausted (energy), in pain, and amped up..
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    Who is your lucky training partner for when you are drunk or have the flu? ROFL
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    Quote Originally Posted by stone_dragone View Post

    "White, yellow, orange, red,
    keep that code inside your head.
    Most the bad stuff that could happen
    only will if you're caught nappin."
    That was my NRA instructor Andy Moynihan on MartialTalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    Who is your lucky training partner for when you are drunk or have the flu? ROFL
    i think that's the REAL reason for forms :-p
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    I recall from my study of Karate (Japanese/Okinawan) that this "progression" is called:
    Go no Sen (respond after an attack)
    Sen no Sen (Taking action simultaneous to an attack)
    and
    Sen Sen no Sen (Preemptive attack, or attacking before attacked)

    It's not new or unique to "Kenpo" persay, but I just thought I'd point this out because it just shows that good solid logic (the bedrock of Kenpo) is timeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    I recall from my study of Karate (Japanese/Okinawan) that this "progression" is called:
    Go no Sen (respond after an attack)
    Sen no Sen (Taking action simultaneous to an attack)
    and
    Sen Sen no Sen (Preemptive attack, or attacking before attacked)

    It's not new or unique to "Kenpo" persay, but I just thought I'd point this out because it just shows that good solid logic (the bedrock of Kenpo) is timeless.

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    Yup, in Pekiti we call it "being ahead on time" or being "behind on time." The early training is all about dealing with attacks when you are behind on time, because as a beginner you don't have the skill to read the cues the other guy is giving off to get ahead on time. The later training is for when you are getting better at reading attacks and then being ahead on time then allows a whole new set of tactics. The final stage is you initiating the action so that it ensures you are way ahead on time, and this is the pre-emptive strikes and how you destroy their potential response.

    Huh, sounds familiar.
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