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    Default Kali / Escrima training sticks

    Just looking for a little direction here. I'm attending a seminar next week and needed to pick up some Kali / Escrima sticks. I have zero experience with these weapons and wanted to hear what people who may train with these weapons would endorse. My instructor has offered to continue some training with this in the future, so I wanted to pick up my own pair to start getting a feel for the weapon. Any types / manufactures / websites would be of great help.

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    Default Re: Kali / Escrima training sticks

    To start off with a regular pair of rattan sticks from any supplier will work.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Rattan is a good choice, I agree with Rob. you can get them from Century or Asian World of Martial Arts online.
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    Personally I like the sticks from http://bloodsport.com. Nice friendly service and last longer for your dollar than the big store sticks.

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    I just use some 3/4 or 1" maple dowel.
    Hurts when it hits the noggin.......but i find it helps to strengthen the forearms.

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    When working stick on stick drills, rattan is usually best. Hardwood while very durable and great for forms and defenses against a club attack, can damage the wrists and elbows when banging hardwood against hardwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodoc View Post
    Personally I like the sticks from http://bloodsport.com. Nice friendly service and last longer for your dollar than the big store sticks.

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    Yup, KIL sticks are very good, not pretty, but very very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    When working stick on stick drills, rattan is usually best. Hardwood while very durable and great for forms and defenses against a club attack, can damage the wrists and elbows when banging hardwood against hardwood.
    never really bothered me.......but i have a job that puts my arms in a position of impact frequently, it also requires a lot of hand and forearm strength.

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    Default Re: Kali / Escrima training sticks

    Thanks to everyone for contributing. I'll most likely go with the rattan to start.

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    Default Re: Kali / Escrima training sticks

    Do you happen to have a furniture store in you area that builds rattan furniture. I have got several sets from a local store here very cheaply by going through their "scrap pile".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz View Post
    never really bothered me.......but i have a job that puts my arms in a position of impact frequently, it also requires a lot of hand and forearm strength.
    It was explained to me that the vibration coming through the short pieces of wood cause damage in the elbows, wrists, and can actually detach muscle in the forearm near the wrist. That comes from a senior ranking person in Modern Arnis, so that would be based on using hardwood sticks being used on a very regular basis. A lot of schools that have incorporated modern arnis in to their kenpo program demand that the students use rattan. I used to make the hardwood sticks for all my students and can attest to their durability but switched to the Rattan later on.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    The other benefit to rattan is that it is less likely to chip off pieces of wood shrapnel. Eye protection is always a good idea but hardwood makes it essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takai View Post
    Do you happen to have a furniture store in you area that builds rattan furniture. I have got several sets from a local store here very cheaply by going through their "scrap pile".
    none. thanks for the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodoc View Post
    The other benefit to rattan is that it is less likely to chip off pieces of wood shrapnel. Eye protection is always a good idea but hardwood makes it essential.

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    point taken.
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    I have weapons for Aikido that are made out of white oak, hickory 5 & 7. I'm assuming these types of wood are too hard for this type of training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    It was explained to me that the vibration coming through the short pieces of wood cause damage in the elbows, wrists, and can actually detach muscle in the forearm near the wrist. That comes from a senior ranking person in Modern Arnis, so that would be based on using hardwood sticks being used on a very regular basis. A lot of schools that have incorporated modern arnis in to their kenpo program demand that the students use rattan. I used to make the hardwood sticks for all my students and can attest to their durability but switched to the Rattan later on.
    I dont know how much I believe this.

    The info may come from a senior, but that seems to go against what i learned in physiology.

    where a muscle originates or inserts to bone, the various stresses of use increase the strength of attachment. The dangers might be a bad case of tendinitis, bursitis or other repetitive strain disorder.

    I know guys (including myself) that work in construction that use various tools of high impact, jackhammhers, rotary hammers, impact guns, etc working them into concrete of varying hardness every day.......I dont ever recall one person having a muscle separated from their bone......

    I would be willing to bet that this type of impact is a lot more detrimental to the muscles, joints, and cartilaginous structures in the short term........but, the great thing about the human body is it's ability to adapt to a wide range of environmental changes.

    but this is a subject for a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz View Post
    I dont know how much I believe this.

    The info may come from a senior, but that seems to go against what i learned in physiology.

    where a muscle originates or inserts to bone, the various stresses of use increase the strength of attachment. The dangers might be a bad case of tendinitis, bursitis or other repetitive strain disorder.

    I know guys (including myself) that work in construction that use various tools of high impact, jackhammhers, rotary hammers, impact guns, etc working them into concrete of varying hardness every day.......I dont ever recall one person having a muscle separated from their bone......

    I would be willing to bet that this type of impact is a lot more detrimental to the muscles, joints, and cartilaginous structures in the short term........but, the great thing about the human body is it's ability to adapt to a wide range of environmental changes.

    but this is a subject for a different thread.
    Detatchment is very unlikely or all of my construction patients would have detachment problems. Tendonitis can be a problem but is much less likely in well conditioned arms ie. construction workers. The human body can adapt but this process slows as we age. there is a lot of variability in ability of bodies to tolerate this sort of damage, I'm unsure if prolonged work conditions people or if it merely separates out those at greater risk of injury.

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    The crashing or Hickory vs Hickory or Hickory vs Japanese White Oak never seemed to bother me over the last 16 years. Although the few times I blocked it with my face and or body is another story. I don't remember ever hearing about such an injury. More to the line of Tendonitis / Tennis elbow in some people. I was always told that there is something wrong with your suburi if you had issues with your elbow or muscle strain while trianing with Bokken or Iaito / Katana. Not sure if that logic works for Kali / Escrima. I'm glad this aspect of injury was brought up though as working with new weapons may open the door to new injuries to be aware of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin6 View Post
    The crashing or Hickory vs Hickory or Hickory vs Japanese White Oak never seemed to bother me over the last 16 years. Although the few times I blocked it with my face and or body is another story. I don't remember ever hearing about such an injury. More to the line of Tendonitis / Tennis elbow in some people. I was always told that there is something wrong with your suburi if you had issues with your elbow or muscle strain while trianing with Bokken or Iaito / Katana. Not sure if that logic works for Kali / Escrima. I'm glad this aspect of injury was brought up though as working with new weapons may open the door to new injuries to be aware of.
    I totally feel your pain......lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz View Post
    I totally feel your pain......lol
    It just happens....
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