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    What is your favorite form in the Tracy System?
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    What is your favorite form in the Tracy System?
    Long #2. I think I learn something every time I do it. There is something about that form that has felt "right" ever since I first learned it.

    What is yours?
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    I was always partial to Tiger & Crane and Staff #2
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    What exactly about Long 2 appeals to you?
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    Book Set. Speed, power, and excellent applications. Makes me want to study Hung Gar as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
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    What exactly about Long 2 appeals to you?
    Well, first, let me say that I did not pick Book Set or Tiger & Crane because they are not "kenpo forms." What I like about Long #2 is that it feels so much like Book Set and T&C with it's blend of hard and soft and it's easy flow. It can be done as is, the stances can be lowered, the flow and timing can be altered, and there are some excellent power lessons in there, especially in sections 1 and 4.
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    I really enjoy Long Form 2, it has some great lessons on transitions but I still prefer Tiger & Crane.
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    What is your least favorite Tracy's Form?
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    I am a lover of katas, so this is a hard one. Probably Mass Attack, but that doesn't mean that I do not like it. I just like it less than the others.
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    I too love kata, for me the least favorite form was Panther
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    My favorite form is Book Set. I also really like the missing sections. The ending is much smoother than the abrupt ending after the double tiger claws of the shorter version.

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    Although it may be considered blasphemous, I think that the most overated form in the kenpo system is the #4. I understand that from a study of motion/catagory completion approach, it is the definitive set. I, however, approach kenpo from a tactical point of view, not as a study in motion.

    The flaws of the #5 form are obvious. Very rough transitions, and incorrect application of a couple of techniques.

    However, the #6 set (in both tracy's and ak) has some fatal flaws. They really need to be corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanna
    Although it may be considered blasphemous, I think that the most overated form in the kenpo system is the #4. I understand that from a study of motion/catagory completion approach, it is the definitive set. I, however, approach kenpo from a tactical point of view, not as a study in motion.

    The flaws of the #5 form are obvious. Very rough transitions, and incorrect application of a couple of techniques.

    However, the #6 set (in both tracy's and ak) has some fatal flaws. They really need to be corrected.

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    What are the flwas you see in Forms 5 & 6 and what would you do to correct them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanna
    The flaws of the #5 form are obvious. Very rough transitions, and incorrect application of a couple of techniques.

    However, the #6 set (in both tracy's and ak) has some fatal flaws. They really need to be corrected.

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    Hi Jim! Long time no talk! Happy Holidays!

    I don't see Long Form 5 and 6 in EPAK as having flaws. Which flaws are you referring to specifically?


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    I just typed and posted but it did not take so her I go again, but in an abbreviated message.

    I can speak with more authority on the Tracy versions of 5 and 6 naturally.

    The 5 form has very rought transitions. I've seen some stretched interpretations for them from a couple of AK instructors, but boy are they forced. In the second technique, Dance of Death, there is a step back from the punch. Unfortunately, the technique won't work like that. You will be out of range. A flaw, but not so serious that I would change the form. Unless Mr Tracy changes it, I teach it as is.

    The 6 form in our version has us stepping back from a pistol, stepping to 12:00 for a low knife thrust, stepping back to 6:00 for an overhead club attack. That's not how they are taught in manuals. Simple adjustments would correct the fatal flaws, i.e. simply reset to a neutral position. That's the way I teach it.

    In the AK 6, there is a pistol technique in which the attacker is disarmed and then pistol whipped many many times. That's a definite tactical defect. Although kenpo can be translated well to the use of weapons, the pistol is a whole different world. In lethal force confrontations, disarm, shoot if necessary, and scan 360 degrees for other armed dangers. If you would perform that technique in front of a class of police firearms trainers, you better have some thick skin.

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    bringing an old thread back to life...

    I'd say my favorite Tracy kenpo kata are Long One and Short Two. I think they are underrated and under credited with what they have to offer. To me, the biggest thing they offer is the development of stances, foundation and rooting, and using these to drive the power in technique. If you practice these kata with these issues in mind, you can dig into it over and over.
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    Short one is awesome. My second favorite is short two.
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    I, personally like everything up to, but not necessarily including Long 4. Like I've discussed with a "secret" friend here, Most of the material after Long four is questionable, and most of the "science" you learn up there is pretty much in the lower 6 sets. Maybe, Maybe not. Perhaps it's something that I think I see there based on many years of experience.

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    Tiger/Crane for me.
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    Most of the higher numbered forms aren't my cup of tea, but I have been having fun with
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