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    American Kenpo and SubLevel Four Kenpo
    Combat Ranges (V-1.2)
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    Ron Chapél, Ph.D.



    I. Distance One:
    “Out of Reach” (no contact)

    SubLevel One:

    A. Psychology of Confrontation Theory




    II. Distance Two:
    “Within Reach” (no contact)

    SubLevel Two:

    A. Psychology of Confrontation Theory
    B. Spatial Distortion Concepts




    III. Distance Three:
    “Contact Penetration” (Peripheral Contact)

    SubLevel Three:

    A. Psychology of Confrontation Theory
    B. Spatial Distortion Concepts
    C. Contact Manipulation
    D. Visual Cortex Disruption
    E. Nerve Cavity Strikes


    IV. Distance Four:
    “Contact Manipulation” (Aural Contact)

    SubLevel Four:

    A. Psychology of Confrontation
    B. Spatial Distortion Concepts
    C. Contact Manipulations
    D. Visual Cortex Disruption
    E. Nerve Cavity activation
    F. Energy Disruption Concepts
    G. Kenpo Control Manipulation
    H. Nerve Cavity Strikes
    I. Kenpo Pressure-Point Activations
    J. Control Manipulations
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    Interesting we were talking about this very thing a few weeks ago in class and the the four heading are identical. Cool.
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    Very similar to what I've ben taught as far as the distances. Very detailed though.

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    "F. Energy Disruption Concepts"

    What kind(s) of energy are we talking about, sir? Internal flow/qi, energy fields centered on chakras, or physical energy (kinetic, potential, etc.)?

    I won't ask how you do it, as the answer could probably fill volumes (or an entire carriculum) and we'd still need hands on aplication to understand it, I'd guess. However, anything you'd like to share that might be useful in our own search for understanding ...

    It seems to me that at distances one and two, you are already disrupting his energy. Psychology of confrontation probably means what he intends, and the methods he uses to determine what he'll do. But, if you can psychologicaly effect his decision to act, havn't you effected his energy? We've all felt the energy drain of intimidation, for example.

    A state of spatial distortion also drains, redirects, or makes the expenditure of energy useless. It's like fireing a gun into a void- a lot of flash and noise, and huge amounts of kinetic energy, but directed at what? No impact, no results.

    Jump to level four, and all the subcategories also seem to interrupt or negate energy. I guess what I'm seeing is that, while all categories effect and are interdependant on each other, energy disruption (of all kinds) seems to me to be the central, binding theme.

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    Greetings.

    Thank you for this list, sir.

    Very detailed categorical breakdown. I would add to distance one "Firearm Considerations", or is it in another category altogether and not addressed here?

    Long Range weapons, maybe?

    I'll wait on your answers before just guessing and playing with the ideas further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profesormental View Post
    Greetings.

    Thank you for this list, sir.

    Very detailed categorical breakdown. I would add to distance one "Firearm Considerations", or is it in another category altogether and not addressed here?

    Long Range weapons, maybe?

    I'll wait on your answers before just guessing and playing with the ideas further.

    Juan M. Mercado

    I'm gonna guess and get beaten up by DOC

    I would say that it is covered by distance 1 completely.

    If the guy has a gone and is out of range of your natural weapons then
    A. Psychology of Confrontation Theory

    comes into play in a major way.

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    "F. Energy Disruption Concepts"

    What kind(s) of energy are we talking about, sir? Internal flow/qi, energy fields centered on chakras, or physical energy (kinetic, potential, etc.)?
    Well yes and know. As a scientist and bio-mechanist, I cannot subscribe to esoteric descriptors beyond the euphemistic but very appropriate "Energy Disruption" designation.
    I won't ask how you do it, as the answer could probably fill volumes (or an entire carriculum) and we'd still need hands on aplication to understand it, I'd guess. However, anything you'd like to share that might be useful in our own search for understanding ...
    Of course everything depends on the particular application.
    It seems to me that at distances one and two, you are already disrupting his energy. Psychology of confrontation probably means what he intends, and the methods he uses to determine what he'll do. But, if you can psychologicaly effect his decision to act, havn't you effected his energy? We've all felt the energy drain of intimidation, for example.
    Yes you are correct, and essentially the body assigns "energy" in many ways both mentally and physically. It is also important that one has a significant impact on the other.
    A state of spatial distortion also drains, redirects, or makes the expenditure of energy useless. It's like fireing a gun into a void- a lot of flash and noise, and huge amounts of kinetic energy, but directed at what? No impact, no results.
    Exclusive of the firearm analogy, "Spatial Distortion" is a SL-4 defined principle that utilizes PNF Sensors to misalign or to induce an engagement at a less than optimal moment in space when the body is unprepared, unbraced, or misaligned. It is an involuntary action/reaction as a part of the autonomic nervous system.

    As to the firearm analogy, energy is dispersed and although there may not be impact, the report itself has an impact on PNF, the autonomic nervous system, and the body's subsequent reactions based on proximity.
    Jump to level four, and all the subcategories also seem to interrupt or negate energy. I guess what I'm seeing is that, while all categories effect and are interdependant on each other, energy disruption (of all kinds) seems to me to be the central, binding theme.
    Well that takes me back to the beginning of the post. On a general level, everything can be described as "energy related." But this "energy" manifests itself in mental, and physical ways that require descriptions for the purposes of controlled and efficient applications within the discipline for the purposes of teaching.

    The Chinese because of an inability to define things in what are now modern scientific terms, used the flowery metaphors related to energy, in conjunction with physical lessons as a method of conveying information in general, and martial lessons specifically. Thus the heavy emphasis in the field of the use of the term "energy" along with its many variances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profesormental View Post
    Greetings.

    Thank you for this list, sir.

    Very detailed categorical breakdown. I would add to distance one "Firearm Considerations", or is it in another category altogether and not addressed here?

    Long Range weapons, maybe?

    I'll wait on your answers before just guessing and playing with the ideas further.

    Juan M. Mercado
    You are correct sir. Because SubLevel Four Kenpo is an empty hand self defense science, the combat ranges reflect its core philosophy. There is a separate, although very similar Law Enforcement Combat Range Chart that includes firearms, and another yet for empty hand combat in law enforcement. And yes Amrik, it is covered in distance one, upon awareness sir.
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    Doc, thanks for sharing. Much appreciated.
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    Doc, thanks for sharing. Much appreciated.
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    I"m going to bump this thread as Doc, commented on this subject a couple of weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedan View Post
    "F. Energy Disruption Concepts"

    What kind(s) of energy are we talking about, sir? Internal flow/qi, energy fields centered on chakras, or physical energy (kinetic, potential, etc.)?

    I won't ask how you do it, as the answer could probably fill volumes (or an entire carriculum) and we'd still need hands on aplication to understand it, I'd guess. However, anything you'd like to share that might be useful in our own search for understanding ...

    It seems to me that at distances one and two, you are already disrupting his energy. Psychology of confrontation probably means what he intends, and the methods he uses to determine what he'll do. But, if you can psychologicaly effect his decision to act, havn't you effected his energy? We've all felt the energy drain of intimidation, for example.

    A state of spatial distortion also drains, redirects, or makes the expenditure of energy useless. It's like fireing a gun into a void- a lot of flash and noise, and huge amounts of kinetic energy, but directed at what? No impact, no results.

    Jump to level four, and all the subcategories also seem to interrupt or negate energy. I guess what I'm seeing is that, while all categories effect and are interdependant on each other, energy disruption (of all kinds) seems to me to be the central, binding theme.

    Dan C
    Well yes, but consider that the physical and mental aspects are intrinsically married to each other and, to affect one is to effect the other.

    Distance one is a non-contact distance, but doesn't mean you cannot affect his energy. Simply giving him something to consider will do that, and affect him physically as well. A guy stands 10 feet away from you and begins hurling physical threats. You shout loudly and affirmatively, "I have a gun in my pocket." and watch his posture, focus, and energy change.

    Spatial Distortion, although it is not a contact distance, has a similar effect and is actually a physical mechanism. Initiated once a physical commitment has been made on the part of the attacker, that gives him a false sense of what and where you are and has a disruptive effect on his PNF sensors.

    Distance four contains all the previous elements but now physically focuses on destroying the ability of the attacker to bring his energy, mental or physical, to bear in a manner conducive to his successful application of his intent.

    You know when I lose threads, email me. I don't look at PM's often and am rarely notified on some threads for reasons unknown sir.
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    I still remember when you yelled out your window "Walking up on cars is a good way to get shot!", that dude did a 180 and slinked back up on the curb like a whipped dog! And I thought "I am so glad I don't live in LA"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    I still remember when you yelled out your window "Walking up on cars is a good way to get shot!", that dude did a 180 and slinked back up on the curb like a whipped dog! And I thought "I am so glad I don't live in LA"
    The Psychology of Confrontation Distance One is an often ignored aspect of the martial arts, and self defense in particular. In the design of any physical confrontation scenario, it is where you must begin the process. Something Ed Parker taught me very well, as we explored this area utilizing our collective street experiences. The art of fighting without fighting by getting in a persons head and altering their focus and perspective of the circumstances at hand. Taking an extrovert activity, and turning him into an instantaneous introvert.

    LA is fine, but I practice everything all the time. Occupational hazard. The crime statistics are comparable to any big city. Just remember we have almost 4 million people and the news tends to exaggerate.
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