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    Starting with the basics, What is your least favorite Yellow belt tec, and why is it so?

    Timing?
    'it doesn't seem to work'?
    Targeting?

    Stance change?
    Body Mechanics?

    Just to toss out some examples.

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    Captured Twigs ...

    It's awkward because of forces moving in opposite direction: Stomp going down - Elbow going up. It's like walking and chewing gum.

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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Yellow Belt Tec & Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTess
    Starting with the basics, What is your least favorite Yellow belt tec, and why is it so?

    Timing?
    'it doesn't seem to work'?
    Targeting?

    Stance change?
    Body Mechanics?

    Just to toss out some examples.
    I used to not like a couple...grip of death and alternating maces, no longer in the AKKI curriculum but they still none-the-less were my least favorite.

    First and foremost I think that it was my lack of understanding in the technique that lead to these feelings.

    Alternating maces felt like a silly response to an aggressive attack untill a very smart guy explained the proper geometry, angle of incidence, and proper depth within the tech. It changed my view of it completely.

    Grip of death seemed again like an inadequate response untill I was shown the proper structural allignment and "kneework" with in the technique to learn that this was a graceful not muscular strength technique with performed with the proper body allignment and positioning.

    Looking back on my yellows now I pretty much like them all, and in an "oh crap" situation 9 out of 10 times they are my first response. Sometimes all it takes is a little perception of depth from a good instructor to bring these things about
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    Although all of the Yellow Belt techs are more complex than they seem at first, I'd have to say the hardest one for me was "Grasp of Death":

    1) For personal reasons, choke attacks are the ones I'm least comfortable with

    2) You're doing so many things simultaneously: tucking your chin in & turning your head to the side while you're grabbing the arm around your neck & applying the horsebite as you're stepping forward into a close kneel stance (buckling their leg). Whew!

    But wait, it isn't over yet - now you have to move your head out from under the arm as you make a fist (above their elbow) & do the armbar as you step forward into a Horse stance. Then, the transitional forward bow as you execute the right horizontal punch!

    So many things are done simultaneously in this tech, & chokes are more intimidating to beginners than say, a lapel grab or a roundhouse punch. IMHO the type of attack, the number of movements involved, & the timing necessary to make it work all make "Grasp of Death" a difficult tech to learn, especially for the first belt in the system (EPAK).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter


    Alternating maces felt like a silly response to an aggressive attack untill a very smart guy explained the proper geometry, angle of incidence, and proper depth within the tech. It changed my view of it completely.

    Grip of death seemed again like an inadequate response untill I was shown the proper structural allignment and "kneework" with in the technique to learn that this was a graceful not muscular strength technique with performed with the proper body allignment and positioning.

    I felt the same way at first as well Hunter, particulary about Alternating Maces. It is obvious you've got quite a bit of Kenpo knowledge.

    Keep training my friend.


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    I really can't think of any yellow belt techniques that I did not like. I can think of some upper belt techniques that I detest though LOL.
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    Great responses~!

    Ok let's change this to, in addition to, yellow belt, to any level.

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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    I know people are going to say, "yeah right", but I honestly love all 154 techniques, and all of the extensions. I think they all work, but one has to understand the nature of the attack.


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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTess
    Great responses~!

    Ok let's change this to, in addition to, yellow belt, to any level.
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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    yeah, right jamie...(hehehe).

    i have no favorite or least favorite techniques anymore. i used to feel that way, not its just some i need to work more, some i need to apply differently, and some i just gotta learn~

    this may be a little tangental, but i do have a bit of problem with checking the storm at yellow belt. not the technique itself, just its placement so early in the curriculum. i wouldn't want someone after 2 or 3 weeks of kenpo classes to think that they can deal with weapon attacks, especially by 'checking' as opposed to 'controling'.

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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    hmmm.. make me think eh Brian

    well, I'm not particularly fond of (yellow)- Delayed sword.. it just doesn't flow well for me.. I feel like it's choppy, and mechanical no matter what I do..


    Thrusting Prongs.. now there's a Tec.. I would never do..
    probably cuz I have had my thumbs taped to my hands to keep them in as a yellow belt ..

    Don't like Wings of Silk either.. Probably cuz in doing Long 3, (called it 'twirlie whirlies) *Snickers*

    There's others... Let's hear what other's have to say

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    I don't like Broken Gift. Its cumbursome and there's an easier and faster way to gain control and get your oppenent to the ground.

    Boy was my instructor surprised when I did it MY way...sitting on his duff stammering "That's not how the technique is supposed to go!"
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    Entangled Wing is my leeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssttttt favorite technique. I still can not do it right as many times as I try to, and I still do not think it is practicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu
    I don't like Broken Gift. Its cumbursome and there's an easier and faster way to gain control and get your oppenent to the ground.
    question is whether your opponent is giving you the correct catalysts, see how the name is 'broken' gift. something happens to interrupt the easy takedown and the technique has the ideal-evenif-ideal phases built right in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    question is whether your opponent is giving you the correct catalysts, see how the name is 'broken' gift. something happens to interrupt the easy takedown and the technique has the ideal-evenif-ideal phases built right in.

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    I still don't like it



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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    i do have a bit of problem with checking the storm at yellow belt. not the technique itself, just its placement so early in the curriculum. i wouldn't want someone after 2 or 3 weeks of kenpo classes to think that they can deal with weapon attacks, especially by 'checking' as opposed to 'controling'.

    pete
    But then again Pete, what is this technique really teaching beginners? It's teaching them to get out of the way fast (or out of the line of fire) and to kick them you know where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTess
    well, I'm not particularly fond of (yellow)- Delayed sword.. it just doesn't flow well for me.. I feel like it's choppy, and mechanical no matter what I do..

    Thrusting Prongs.. now there's a Tec.. I would never do..
    How do you teach these two techniques (i.e. what is the nature of the attack)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu
    I don't like Broken Gift. Its cumbursome and there's an easier and faster way to gain control and get your oppenent to the ground.
    Could you be more specific about what you don't like? Also, where in this technique are you taking your opponent to the ground?

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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    I don't know about "More or Least favorite" techniques:
    I see it as those that I enjoy working and those that I don't.
    When I don't "enjoy" working one, it's usually because I don't understand it well enough or need MUCH more time ironing it out. My level of enjoyment in Kenpo tends to rise to the same level as my level of competency and understanding.

    Sometimes, when you "don't like" a technique (or set/form/drill for that matter) then IT is the very thing that (once mastered) will make the biggest difference in your ability and understanding in Kenpo.

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    Default Re: Your Least Favorite Tec & Why?

    In the yellow belt, as an instructor, the one I like the least is Attacking Mace. While I personally like it, I feel it is a bit sophisticated for the yellow belt mentality. I understand why it is there, stepping back and blocking with the left, I just feel that for most white belts it is beyond their coordination level.
    Just because you do something one way, does not mean that everyone else does it that way, or that it is even the correct way.

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