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    Question a training horse stance directed diagonally

    For Ed Parker Kenpo, does any person of this computer group forum know if a training horse stance can be directed diagonally 45 degrees away from 1200 to the left or to the right and therefore be considered a neutral bow stance?

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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    2 different animals..

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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    Tess is right (that happens a lot, just as Seig) they are different.

    Check with your instructor(s) as to exactly why.

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    Question Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    yes, but can i use a diagonal training horse stance to face the same front center line that the neutral bow stance faces? in other words, can i be in a neutral bow stance that has the feet positioned as wide apart as in the training horse stance? am i using Ed Parker Kenpo if i am using a training horse stance that faces diagonally to the front 1200 centerline point of reference?

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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    I'd say that you're getting pretty good advice, and I'd follow it....or work a lot on Stance Set 1 and Short Form 1, which is kinda the same advice you've been getting.

    May I ask why these questions are occupying you, exactly?

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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    By doing a horse stance diagonally you have elimanted some of your natural weapons, which means you have already given your attacker an advantage.
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    OK, I don't train in EPAK.. btu I have read the II and can look at the diagrams. It appears to me that the foot position in the bow stances is nearly identical to a horse stance, but turned 45 degrees. Actually, the (relative) foot position is identical to what we in Shaolin Kempo) call a "half moon" stance - the heel of one foot is aligned with the toe of the other.


    So is that toe-heel alignment the difference between a 'neutral bow' and a 'diagonal horse' ??

    How does a bow stance bring in the weapons that a diagonal horse leaves out??


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    PS - I don't have an EPAK instructor so please don't answer with "ask your instructor"

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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    the only thing that comes to mind is a modified horse stance
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC
    OK, I don't train in EPAK.. btu I have read the II and can look at the diagrams. It appears to me that the foot position in the bow stances is nearly identical to a horse stance, but turned 45 degrees. Actually, the (relative) foot position is identical to what we in Shaolin Kempo) call a "half moon" stance - the heel of one foot is aligned with the toe of the other.


    So is that toe-heel alignment the difference between a 'neutral bow' and a 'diagonal horse' ??

    How does a bow stance bring in the weapons that a diagonal horse leaves out??


    -D

    PS - I don't have an EPAK instructor so please don't answer with "ask your instructor"
    I'm still curious about this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50%grandmaster View Post
    For Ed Parker Kenpo, does any person of this computer group forum know if a training horse stance can be directed diagonally 45 degrees away from 1200 to the left or to the right and therefore be considered a neutral bow stance?
    Yes, a Horse Stance directed diagonally, or to a 45 degree angle is a Neutral Bow.
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    but what about your head?
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    What do you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael151 View Post
    Yes, a Horse Stance directed diagonally, or to a 45 degree angle is a Neutral Bow.
    a neutral bow faces 12, so you look to 12. In a horse stance facing 1030 you are looking to 1030. I suspect there are some finer nuanced differences as well but I'm not really able to discuss that with any confidence.
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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    I guess if your head and upper body are turned diagonally, that's your neutral bow, facing either 10:30 or 1:30.
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    Default Re: a training horse stance directed diagonally

    I question why we need to insert a training stance into staying neutral to an opponent. There are few moments where it is a good idea, except in a training sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael151 View Post
    I guess if your head and upper body are turned diagonally, that's your neutral bow, facing either 10:30 or 1:30.
    shoulders over hips over ankles, so only my head turns to 12.
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