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    I find myself using a pull drag motion when performing Unfurling Crane on the movement forward to deliver the inverted downward hammerfist to the groin. Not saying that the motion is correct but it does allow me to close the gap and plant my rear foot before kicking the knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Oh, and then there is kicking something and using the stability or semi-stability of that to move ourselves off the line of attack, but I don't think you are pull dragging any more, you are parkouring. Ha Ha
    I believe "Pull" is simply the momentum from a maneuver, or basic forcing your center of gravity to move outside of your base, past the point of no return, causing you to re-establish your base. This is done many times by dragging, or moving a part of your base towards your center of gravity.
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    I believe "Pull" is simply the momentum from a maneuver, or basic forcing your center of gravity to move outside of your base, past the point of no return, causing you to re-establish your base. This is done many times by dragging, or moving a part of your base towards your center of gravity.
    Since you are not moving a part of your base toward your body, I suppose this is more of a launch or lunge... or Pullunge LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    I believe "Pull" is simply the momentum from a maneuver, or basic forcing your center of gravity to move outside of your base, past the point of no return, causing you to re-establish your base. This is done many times by dragging, or moving a part of your base towards your center of gravity.
    This response is the closest to my understanding of a pull drag. As I understand it, there must be momentum in the direction of the pull.

    The puzzle I am facing, is how to generate forward momentum from a neutral bow, when executing front foot kick. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    This response is the closest to my understanding of a pull drag. As I understand it, there must be momentum in the direction of the pull.

    The puzzle I am facing, is how to generate forward momentum from a neutral bow, when executing front foot kick. Any thoughts?
    Thinking about the question you have posed I beleive one must be committed to the kick which would have to be thrusting in nature. Unfortunately this action could be argued as being an over accentuated step drag and not a pull drag. Interesting question.

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    Use a drag-step as a prelude to the kick, then, as woodyfish mentioned, use a thrusting kick, front or side.
    I think you can also do it with a rear leg kick from a neutral bow. The main thing seems to be that your momentum "pulls" your body and supporting foot forward thowards the target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    The puzzle I am facing, is how to generate forward momentum from a neutral bow, when executing front foot kick. Any thoughts?
    drag step with the rear foot before executing the kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Since you are not moving a part of your base toward your body, I suppose this is more of a launch or lunge... or Pullunge LOL
    So the base you left hanging, assuming a pull frag roundhouse for example, sits back there where you left it at the beggining? Then no no drag involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    This response is the closest to my understanding of a pull drag. As I understand it, there must be momentum in the direction of the pull.

    The puzzle I am facing, is how to generate forward momentum from a neutral bow, when executing front foot kick. Any thoughts?
    You generate momentum initially with a drop in height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    You generate momentum initially with a drop in height.
    I think we call that "Falling".

    Lifting the front foot does create forward motion, but can it be enough forward motion to generate enough momentum to drag the (not quite) supporting leg?

    Even with the front foot thrusting forward. I'm just having a difficult time getting there.

    In the instruction I received, the rear foot, when dragged forward, ends up pointing toward 6:00 o'clock. (This too, is a position we work hard to avoid. So, the resulting stance was also a challenge for me. It's a bad habit where I come from).

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    Quote Originally Posted by punkmonkey View Post
    drag step with the rear foot before executing the kick.
    That would be a "drag step". I'm good with that. Makes perfect sense to me.

    In the lesson, this creates a readable "beat" from which an opponent can read the incoming attack. Thus, it was to be avoided.

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    You "cover" the readable beat, as you call it, with a straight lead punch or backfist, or some other "lead technique" which puts something between your centerline and your adversary's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Use a drag-step as a prelude to the kick, then, as woodyfish mentioned, use a thrusting kick, front or side.
    I think you can also do it with a rear leg kick from a neutral bow. The main thing seems to be that your momentum "pulls" your body and supporting foot forward thowards the target.
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    drag step with the rear foot before executing the kick.
    Don't you mean "drag?" The "kick" is the step isn't it? A simple reminder that all "kicks" by definition are exaggerated "steps," and therefore are an integral part of basic footwork. "Drag-step forward" footwork, thus becomes a "drag" followed by the "kick" and placement of the foot completing the "step" process. Under most circumstances, this is true whether forward, or reverse, which can also be translated into lateral as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Don't you mean "drag?" The "kick" is the step isn't it? A simple reminder that all "kicks" by definition are exaggerated "steps," and therefore are an integral part of basic footwork. "Drag-step forward" footwork, thus becomes a "drag" followed by the "kick" and placement of the foot completing the "step" process. Under most circumstances, this is true whether forward, or reverse, which can also be translated into lateral as well.
    I'm a little leery of just saying "drag" because it sounds like the foot never leaves the ground. You know that I know that you know what I mean but I'm not 100% sure of the general audience. huminahuminahumina.
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    I'm a little leery of just saying "drag" because it sounds like the foot never leaves the ground. You know that I know that you know what I mean but I'm not 100% sure of the general audience. huminahuminahumina.
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    Sometimes I catch myself saying "drag step". Which is not such a sin if I am only talking about the type of step known as a "drag", as in "when you execute the drag step, move your foot like this...". Not so bad. But when describing a footwork sequence, it's a critical error...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    Sometimes I catch myself saying "drag step". Which is not such a sin if I am only talking about the type of step known as a "drag", as in "when you execute the drag step, move your foot like this...". Not so bad. But when describing a footwork sequence, it's a critical error...
    "General information always yields general results." Would you be as casual in math, architecture, or music, and expect and exacting results? Two plus three equals.. , well you know what I mean. Isn't that how a lot of the fabulous information you get got lost in the first place. That's OK, generally you got it right, and the guy is only generally trying to kill you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    "General information always yields general results." Would you be as casual in math, architecture, or music, and expect and exacting results? Two plus three equals.. , well you know what I mean. Isn't that how a lot of the fabulous information you get got lost in the first place. That's OK, generally you got it right, and the guy is only generally trying to kill you.
    In basic music, architecture, math, sure.

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