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    Default Forms on different terrain

    Last night I was doing forms in the dark on a hillside while my dog was sniffing for rabbits and eating rasberries. I was thinking about the differences in experience when the terrain changes. then when I thought further I realized that I do forms in my bedroom frequently and make multiple footwork adjustments to fit the "terrain." I suspect these changes in enviroment improve our ability to spontaneously respond to different enviroments. any other opinions?

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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    I think working your material outside and with everyday shoes on is a good idea. We learn to slide our feet on the mats alot when we train, but honestly I think it's a pretty shaky idea. With shoes on, I'd be likely to sprain an ankle and stumble, so I find that when doing forms outside w/ shoes on I take deliberate steps. Watch out for that rock there and that ditch there.
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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    The long ones I really have to do outside. There's just not enough room inside for it. Other than making many adjust steps, stopping, then starting somewhere else. The land is not flat which makes it difficult in shoes as well.

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    Doing kata on uneven terrain is more like 'combat kata'.

    It's not terribly precise, and isn't as fluid, but when you're done, you get the feeling that you did something lethal to someone. lol.

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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    Growing up on a ranch I used to spend most of my time doing forms outside. You definitely seem to lose some of the fluidity that you would on a smooth hard surface but, at the same time you get used to move on uneven and varied terrain.

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    I recently started training in Pencak Silat, an art from a land with extreme variations in terrain (Indonesia). The forms in Silat reflect this.

    In a real conflict, one may not be on a smooth flat surface. Mud, snow, ice, pavement cracks, curbs, gravel...all are very real situations to encounter.

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    Different terrain? Are you trying to kill me? I had problems enough with the carpet that we put down over the concrete. 9 times out of 10 I would snag my toe on the edge of the carpet and take a dive, once managing to break my pinky toe.

    Acutally I've tried forms on varying terrain and different shoes too. Muddy grass was fun in my nice new white gi.

    Ice proved to be interesting too. It wasnt my best performance to say the least.
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    training in general when its raining and muddy outside.. both in bare feet and shoes.. is always fun deff helps work your balance if you slide when you settle... and breakfalling..

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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    In a different thread I talked about using the forms to index basic movement. Does doing the forms in varying terrains and room configurations void the index function of the form or does it, if done carefully with conscious execution of good form, just increase the number of situations where the indexing is functional.

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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    On this same kind of idea... have you ever tried a form in something other than your standard workout clothes?


    I tried it in a heavy jacket... I found that it constricted movemnt a lot more than I realized. Also be sure shoes are tied securely they tend o fly off when executing kicks
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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    I no longer remember the name of the thread but we have explored this topic on here before. I stringly believe in practing on a varity of surfaces/terrains and in clothing that you wear on the street on a normal basis and in dress clothes.
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    At one camp, I talked to a guy in the UK who said he told his class to go back in and change into the clothes they arrived in and they did the whole class in that.

    Women in heels. Men in boots and overcoats.

    He said it was interesting.

    For me it wouldn't be that different because I pretty much wear my gi pants every day. (Even when I'm not working out). They're comfortable! I got used to not being constricted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    At one camp, I talked to a guy in the UK who said he told his class to go back in and change into the clothes they arrived in and they did the whole class in that.

    Women in heels. Men in boots and overcoats.

    He said it was interesting.

    For me it wouldn't be that different because I pretty much wear my gi pants every day. (Even when I'm not working out). They're comfortable! I got used to not being constricted.

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    We have done this a couple of times in class in the past. Working out in your normal clothes and shoes/boots is a rel eye opener. I have to agree with Rob in that I strongly agree with practicing in what you will normally wear.
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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    A couple of times at class we've sparred in street clothes which was a good learning experience that I would suggest for everyone to try.

    Now to get back to the topic, (sorry KenpoDoc) I agree that practicing forms on different terrain helps with timing, distance, footwork, etc.. pretty much improving our ability to adjust on the fly. I've noticed when I practice my forms in the kitchen with less room, I concetrate more on how much distance im closing and my stances and footwork. I noticed I've been getting better coping when im short on room. So it must be working for something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodoc View Post
    In a different thread I talked about using the forms to index basic movement. Does doing the forms in varying terrains and room configurations void the index function of the form or does it, if done carefully with conscious execution of good form, just increase the number of situations where the indexing is functional.
    Define indexing. Are you talking about internal musculo-skeletal indexing like Doc uses the term, or just upper/lower body coordination, timeing, and/or other principles of proper motion? Either way, I would think it will increase functinality. But especially in the motion context.

    It would also build the supporting muscles to work out on varrying terrain and in different clothes. Also would help ballance, a feel forr the ground, adaptability, train a feel for the environment, ...

    My brother used to do Star Block on top of a stack of cinder blocks (end to end, not sideways) stacked as high as he was. We'd do forms and spar on blocks scattered on the ground. Sort of like the Drunken guys (probably what we looked like, come to think of it). And we used to work outside and in varrying light a lot. Really good training.

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    Default Re: Forms on different terrain

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    Doing kata on uneven terrain is more like 'combat kata'.

    It's not terribly precise, and isn't as fluid, but when you're done, you get the feeling that you did something lethal to someone. lol.

    --Amy
    I like how you put that Amy.

    I live in an area where there are numerous small streams, and there are some near my folk's house as well. When weather permits I like to stand in moving water and do forms/techs/sets there. It's a different experience.
    It reminds me of the part in Gichin Funakoshi's book "My way of Life", in which he gets on the roof of his house and practices Kihon and Kata during a monsoon!!!!
    ....that must have been a sight.

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