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    Default Master Key Techniques

    Does anyone have a list of the 10 Master Key techniques and what they evolve into.
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    Default Re: Master Key Techniques

    Here is what Dennis Conatser posted once. But he only gave the full evolution for one of the 10. I wish he would list the rest sometime.

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    10 Master Key Techniques - From Dennis Conatser

    THUNDERING HAMMERS + 32 "variations of"
    FIVE SWORDS + 44
    LONE KIMONO + 9
    SHIELDING HAMMER + 17
    REPEATING MACE + 8
    LOCKED WING + 1
    INTELLECTUAL DEPARTURE + 4
    THRUSTING SALUTE + 2
    PARTING WINGS + 24
    HOOKING WINGS + 4

    One example group...

    LONE KIMONO:
    Twin Kimono
    Clutching Feathers
    Locking Horns
    Captured Leaves
    Entangled Wing
    Snapping Twig
    Raking Mace
    Obscure Sword
    Falcons of Force

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    Default Re: Master Key Techniques

    In case anyone is interested, I discuss Master Key techniques and their purposes in some detail in my latest e-book, "American Kenpo Mastery: A Guide for Students and Instructors."

    Just click on my website for more details of the book:

    www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com


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    WOW!!!

    Hold on to your hats. I emailed Dennis Conatser and asked him if he'd post the complete list of master key techniques and their related techniques on MartialTalk, and by George, he did it:

    P.S. I posted a response asking him what the 3 asterisks mean that are next to some of the techniques and I'll post the answer when I get it.

    THUNDERING HAMMERS + 32 "variations of"
    FIVE SWORDS + 46
    LONE KIMONO + 9
    INTELLECTUAL DEPARTURE + 4
    SHIELDING HAMMER + 20
    REPEATING MACE + 8
    LOCKED WING + 1
    THRUSTING SALUTE + 2
    PARTING WINGS + 24
    HOOKING WINGS + 4

    MASTER KEY TECHNIQUES

    MASTER KEY MOVEMENT(S) are defined as being a move or series of moves that can be used in more than one predicament with equal effect. For example a rear heel kick, shin scrape, and instep stomp can be used for a FULL NELSON, BEAR HUG with the arms free or pinned, REAR ARM LOCK, etc. Or, an arm break can be applied to a cross wrist grab, a lapel grab, or hair grab -‑ application of the arm break would remain constant, but the methods of controlling the wrist would vary. In comparison, MASTER KEY TECHNIQUES entail sequential arrangements of movements that can be applied to a number of predicaments. In the case of a MASTER KEY TECHNIQUE it is a single technique that may be used as a BASE MOVE. Other similar techniques may then be perceived as formulations of it. In many ways they are like Family Groupings and Associated Moves; they are the result of an individual's further association of movements; they are the next logical step in the search for spontaneity. Remember, the following are only one set of model groupings. The art of Master Key Techniques is to eventually be able to use any and all techniques as a BASE MOVE and to see how all other techniques are formulations of it. This should lead you to the next level of spontaneity.


    THUNDERING HAMMERS 32
    Sleeper
    Dance of Death
    Grasping Eagles
    Unwinding Pendulum
    Dance of Darkness ***
    Attacking Mace
    Flashing Wings
    Darting Mace
    Crossing Talons
    Desperate Falcons
    Circling Fans ***
    Leaping Crane
    Gathering Clouds
    Circling the Horizon
    Piercing Lance
    Taming the Mace
    Shield and Mace ‑ Advanced
    Back Breaker
    Kneel of Compulsion
    Brushing the Storm
    Escape from the Storm
    Flashing Mace
    Glancing Salute
    Clipping the Storm
    Glancing Lance
    Ram and the Eagle
    Returning Storm
    Grasp of Death
    Gift of Destruction
    Gift in Return
    Gift of Destiny
    Broken Gift

    FIVE SWORDS 46
    Delayed Sword
    Fatal Deviation ***
    Alternating Mace
    Snaking Talons ***
    Aggressive Twins
    Entwined Maces ***
    Defying the Storm
    Mace of Aggression
    Snapping Twigs
    The Bear and the Ram
    Tripping Arrow
    Falling Falcon
    Conquering Shield
    Cross of Death
    Bowing to Buddha
    Raining Claw
    Glancing Wing
    Prance of the Tiger
    Circling Fans ***
    Deflecting Hammer
    Hugging Pendulum
    Retreating Pendulum
    Dance of Darkness ***
    Unwinding Pendulum
    Menacing Twirl
    Reversing Circles ***
    Swinging Pendulum
    Detour From Doom
    Deceptive Panther
    Charging Ram
    Broken Ram
    Intercepting the Ram
    Spreading Branch
    Reprimanding the Bears
    Captured Twigs
    Crushing Hammer
    Obscure Wing
    Calming the Storm
    Securing the Storm
    Triggered Salute
    Twisted Twig
    Bow of Compulsion
    Reversing Mace
    Circling Destruction
    Gripping Talon
    Twisted Rod

    LONE KIMONO: 9
    Twin Kimono
    Clutching Feathers
    Locking Horns
    Captured Leaves
    Entangled Wing
    Snapping Twig
    Raking Mace
    Obscure Sword
    Falcons of Force

    INTELLECTUAL DEPARTURE: 4
    Circle of Doom
    Rotating Destruction
    Unfolding The Dark
    Encounter With Danger

    SHIELDING HAMMER: 20
    Sword of Destruction
    Evading The Storm
    Protecting Fans
    Shield and Mace
    Leap From Danger
    Dominating Circles
    Circles of Protection
    Raining Lance
    Circling Windmills
    Unfurling Crane
    Reversing Circles
    Leap of Death
    Destructive Kneel
    Destructive Fans
    Glancing Spear
    Desperate Falcons
    Broken Rod
    Fatal Deviation ***
    Entwined Maces ***
    Snaking Talons ***


    REPEATING MACE: 8
    Shield and Sword
    Twirling Hammers
    Checking The Storm
    Twirling Wings
    Entwined Lance
    Parting of the Snakes
    Capturing the Rod
    Defying the Rod

    LOCKED WING: 1
    Flight to Freedom

    THRUSTING SALUTE: 2
    Buckling Branch
    Striking Serpent's Head

    PARTING WINGS: 24
    Thrusting Prongs
    Begging Hands
    Thrusting Wedge
    Blinding Sacrifice
    Twist of Fate
    Crashing Wings
    Spiraling Twigs
    Squatting Sacrifice
    Scraping Hoof
    Repeated Devastation
    Cross of Destruction
    Fallen Cross
    Heavenly Ascent
    Squeezing the Peach
    Crossed Twigs
    Circling Wing
    Wings of Silk
    Obstructing the Storm
    Capturing the Storm
    Calming the Storm
    Securing the Storm
    Snakes of Wisdom
    Grip of Death
    Escape From Death

    HOOKING WINGS: 4
    Fatal Cross
    Twirling Sacrifice
    Defensive Cross
    Marriage of the Rams

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    Default Re: Master Key Techniques

    Remember;
    He can't spoon feed everyone the answers to everything all of the time. Self discovery is one of the best ways to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    Remember;
    He can't spoon feed everyone the answers to everything all of the time. Self discovery is one of the best ways to learn.
    Self discovery can also be one of the slowest ways to learn. Being spoon fed answers is one thing... what you do after your meal is what makes the difference between a good Kenpoist and a bad one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Lear
    Self discovery can also be one of the slowest ways to learn. Being spoon fed answers is one thing... what you do after your meal is what makes the difference between a good Kenpoist and a bad one.

    Slow to learn, slow to forget.
    Just because you do something one way, does not mean that everyone else does it that way, or that it is even the correct way.

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    I guess another way to look at the world of self-discovery is there is a greater possibility of not learning or overlooking something important in the process. It's good to have a teacher. I personally think it's better to learn what you can from a teacher and expand on the information he/she shares with you.

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    I agree to an extent Bill. We all need a knowledgable instructor to teach and instruct us. At this stage I'm looking more towards guidance than giving me every answer to every question. I have found (personally speaking) that self discovery remains locked in the brain a lot longer than just getting an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Lear
    Self discovery can also be one of the slowest ways to learn. Being spoon fed answers is one thing... what you do after your meal is what makes the difference between a good Kenpoist and a bad one.

    I guess what I'm trying to say here is that it is good to get the answers from an instructor and explore them with your own wants and needs in mind. In other words, they can show you where the rabbit hole is it's up to you to explore it.

    Why learn the structure of American Kenpo when you can start all the way from the beggining and start your own system? I personally think it would be wiser to learn from someone else and explore what they haven't. Then, instead of re-inventing the wheel all the time you end up rolling around a little more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    Remember;
    He can't spoon feed everyone the answers to everything all of the time.
    Why not? Professor Chow "spoonfed" the Master Key movements to Ed Parker.

    http://www.wdob.net/mai/people/edpar...dkparkersr.php

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    Wow, Chris! That's a pretty extensive list from Dennis. Will be fun to play the "what if" scenario to get from Thundering Hammers down the list to Broken Gift, etc. I know it's an old post, I'm well behind the times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Armstrong
    WOW!!!

    Hold on to your hats. I emailed Dennis Conatser and asked him if he'd post the complete list of master key techniques and their related techniques on MartialTalk, and by George, he did it:

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    Funny thing is that this is one of the topics being covered at my boot camp this weekend.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    This is such an informative topic, and there is so much valuable infor for anyone doing EPAK that I had to revive this thread. For anyone who does not have this list maybe it is time for some cut and paste.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Awesome Rob, thanks for bringing it back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameypsaromatis View Post
    Wow, Chris! That's a pretty extensive list from Dennis. Will be fun to play the "what if" scenario to get from Thundering Hammers down the list to Broken Gift, etc. I know it's an old post, I'm well behind the times.
    Hey Camey,

    Yeah, there are a lot of possibilities implied by that list. I think it helps to see the higher level relationships between related techniques AND between techniques that may seem superficially unrelated. Then we can start to see the organization of Kenpo from a "concepts and principles" perspective rather than merely from a concrete sequence-movements perspective.

    But that's me - I like to analyze stuff to death...keeps me off the streets.

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    Why stop at 10? The aforementioned material is great to get us started, but don't stop looking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-scholar View Post
    Why stop at 10? The aforementioned material is great to get us started, but don't stop looking!
    Those 10 techniques are the 10 that the entire system is built upon.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Armstrong View Post
    Hey Camey,

    Yeah, there are a lot of possibilities implied by that list. I think it helps to see the higher level relationships between related techniques AND between techniques that may seem superficially unrelated. Then we can start to see the organization of Kenpo from a "concepts and principles" perspective rather than merely from a concrete sequence-movements perspective.

    But that's me - I like to analyze stuff to death...keeps me off the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-scholar View Post
    Why stop at 10? The aforementioned material is great to get us started, but don't stop looking!
    The manner in which one may be attacked is finite however the comination of different variables that arise during conflict are not.
    "It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." Charles A. Beard

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