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    I confess that I no longer do the forms of the Parker system but as I have developed my theories about form and its importance I have come to the conclusion that the most important forms in the system are Short 1, Long 1, Short 2, and Long 2. I also include Short 3 since it is the only one in which actual attackers can be demonstrated on.

    The higher forms became an issue of memorization rather than application. It is my opinion that this defeats the purpose of form.

    I enjoy my forms very much and when I was doing the Parker forms I could do them all from Short 1 through Long 6. But as I progressed in my studies I came to develope theories about form that led me to search for forms that were more in keeping with those theories.

    One of the primary considerations as to why I believe the 1s and the 2s are more important is that these so-called basic forms adhere to a concept in kenpo that "There are not hundreds of techniques. There are a handful of techniques and a lot of variations."

    When we try to memorize too much we lose the essential creativity that kenpo promises. By learning and performing the 1s and the 2s I believe you can get the basic handful of techniques and you can then construct from there. I believe that by doing that you learn to use the rules of motion rather than be used by them. Form is a training tool that is highly suited to human learning due to its repitition. Since kenpo is the rules of motion it would seem that the simpler forms that deal with motion are more important than the longer more complicated forms that seem to mask motion and its intent.

    I welcome comment. Thank you for your attention.

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    I agree with the majority of your post. Taking it a step further, I believe the principles behind what one does are what should be focused on, as once they are understood you can create as many techniques as you like.

    As far as usefulness? Short 3 on are just techniques linked together. So, if practicing alone, they would be useful. I must disagree that Short 1-Long 2 can not be demonstrated against attackers. Short 1 has no offense, but the basics taught are essential to defense and I always show the student the applications of the maneuvers.
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    I think you are missing out on so much by stopping at Short Form 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    I think you are missing out on so much by stopping at Short Form 3.
    I agree. Each of these forms teach you something. Yes short 1 to long 2 works with your basics which is always good. But after these is where the foot work realy starts and the higher you go the more harder concepts there are to learn. Basics are always good to focus on but to really progress you need to open yourself up to new things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    Short 1 has no offense...
    dig deeper...

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    I love doing katas.

    I think they teach about doing the techniques in different directions, they teach footwork and sequential flow. It can be like a sort of meditation too. Very calming.

    It's much easier to practice by yourself with katas.

    To me, avoiding so many of the katas and not practicing them is like saying, "Why should I read a book when I can just watch the movie?"

    Yes, watching the movie gives you the story and you get to see someone else's interpretation of the roles, but when you read the book, you can put much more of yourself into it. And it's a much fuller picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    Short 1 has no offense.....

    So than what is the elbow for. Every time you block your other hand should be doing a back elbow to another opponent if you think about it.
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    Form 4 is the heart of American Kenpo IMO.
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    Could not have said it better myself. Throwing out the forms is just dumbing down the system.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    Throwing out the forms is just dumbing down the system.
    Geesh Rob. You are starting to write like me.

    Tone down woudja?
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    I agree with most evrybody here. Keep going with your forms they are steps along the way to learning how to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    dig deeper...
    Why? Do I have a booger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    dig deeper...
    In Kenpo isn't every block a strike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    Why? Do I have a booger?
    Ummm.......yes. And a small eye goober too.
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    Boogers are icky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu
    Boogers are icky
    Yes, but forms are not. I think my favorite is form 4. There's so much to it.

    I also like long form 2 because there are a few places that I just love to do the moves. I like the hanging overhead punch with the rising forearm strike. That's mostly because I just love rising forearm strikes. They're so nasty. They come out of nowhere and can knock someone right on their backside.

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    The end of L2 always gives me issues, but I love it up to there LOL

    4 is my other fav, as well. I think the only one Im not too keen on is L1, but I like the lesson in it, if that makes sense LOL
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    Long 4 and Long 6 are my two favorites. Working on Long 8, but it is not my favorite yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenposatori
    Long 4 and Long 6 are my two favorites. Working on Long 8, but it is not my favorite yet.

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    I am a real fan of the simplicity of Short Form 2.
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