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    Hi fellow Kenpoists,

    This thread is a continuation of the series of questions I started asking you, loosely based on Michael Miller's very recommendable book Kenpo Perspectives - The Diversity of American Kenpo.

    As the thread's title suggests, this time, I would like to hear about your personal way of practicing and/or teaching the art.

    What aspects do you emphasize? What is less important to you? Do you (your students) practice the whole extensive curriculum?

    Are you known for some speciality? If so, how did this develop for you?

    Even when I was practicing traditional Japanese martial arts like Shotokan Karate and Aikido, I soon noticed that there where considerable differences in the ways these arts were taught in different schools - especially in Aikido, even though they all said they're teaching Ueshiba's style.

    The direction into which I myself like to take the art: The exploration of advanced methods of power generation and use of vital points (Dim Mak/Kyusho-Jitsu). I am aware that other practitioners have different preferences, however.

    Part of American Kenpo's greatness is exactly that it allows each practitioner to develop themselves according to their personal interests and talents within its vast framework.

    So whatever your speciality may be... Let us hear about it!

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    I think that some of that greatness ... "it allows each practitioner to develop themselves according to their personal interests and talents within its vast framework." ... is greatly overrated, and contributes to a poorer reflection of, well, that vast frame work.

    Where I study, we do the 150-some odd techniques and bunch of extensions, forms through 6, sets 1 and 2. We also briefly touch on the freestyle techniques, but hardly more than an introduction. I like it when I see guys like Mr. Farnsworth discussion the Blue Belt Freestyle techniques ... but I certainly haven't tried to incorporate them into a fighting situation. Most of the extensions I find awkward and unusable .. still trying to remember them, though. Just so we can have common frame of reference. I also do a version of the double stick form, and the double knife form. Both are dopey and unuseful in my opinion. I love the staff set, but it too is just wrong.

    Some of us do engage in combat regularly; LEO's, Bounces, and the like. Even with this full catalog of knowledge, I bet they actually use material we learn in, or before Blue Belt.

    Most of us, however, probably haven't been in a fight for years (decades?), so, much of what we study is mental, more than physical. I like the mental stuff .. and I like trying to hit my basics correctly. Having the full catalog of 150 techniques, and 9 forms provides a common alphabet, dictionary and syntax for discussion.

    At some point ... and for each of us, this point is in different a place ... we reach 'meaningless motion'. Sure, we can learn the extension for milking the mongoose, but your never really going to need it in combat.

    So, I guess, my point is ... be sure you have a good understanding of your motion, so you can explain it to others in a way that conveys meaning. If can't stop and go back to where you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    I think that some of that greatness ... "it allows each practitioner to develop themselves according to their personal interests and talents within its vast framework." ... is greatly overrated, and contributes to a poorer reflection of, well, that vast frame work.

    Where I study, we do the 150-some odd techniques and bunch of extensions, forms through 6, sets 1 and 2. We also briefly touch on the freestyle techniques, but hardly more than an introduction. I like it when I see guys like Mr. Farnsworth discussion the Blue Belt Freestyle techniques ... but I certainly haven't tried to incorporate them into a fighting situation. Most of the extensions I find awkward and unusable .. still trying to remember them, though. Just so we can have common frame of reference. I also do a version of the double stick form, and the double knife form. Both are dopey and unuseful in my opinion. I love the staff set, but it too is just wrong.

    Some of us do engage in combat regularly; LEO's, Bounces, and the like. Even with this full catalog of knowledge, I bet they actually use material we learn in, or before Blue Belt.

    Most of us, however, probably haven't been in a fight for years (decades?), so, much of what we study is mental, more than physical. I like the mental stuff .. and I like trying to hit my basics correctly. Having the full catalog of 150 techniques, and 9 forms provides a common alphabet, dictionary and syntax for discussion.

    At some point ... and for each of us, this point is in different a place ... we reach 'meaningless motion'. Sure, we can learn the extension for milking the mongoose, but your never really going to need it in combat.

    So, I guess, my point is ... be sure you have a good understanding of your motion, so you can explain it to others in a way that conveys meaning. If can't stop and go back to where you can.
    I was always taught the feestyle and the self defense techs were the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    I was always taught the feestyle and the self defense techs were the same thing.
    They are not.

    Freestyle Techniques of Kenpo

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    Pretty graph, but you have made it too complex. Try making algebraic equations out of the self defense techs, and watch what magically happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Pretty graph, but you have made it too complex. Try making algebraic equations out of the self defense techs, and watch what magically happens.
    Absolutely nothing. You cannot make algebraic equations with the SD techs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Pretty graph, but you have made it too complex. Try making algebraic equations out of the self defense techs, and watch what magically happens.
    I have not made it anything. These are in the curriculum, as described. See Infinite Insights Volume 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    Absolutely nothing. You cannot make algebraic equations with the SD techs.
    No, you cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    I have not made it anything. These are in the curriculum, as described. See Infinite Insights Volume 5.
    So then it is a separate art, you don't study?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    No, you cannot.

    Of course you can.

    sword of destruction...

    Where
    A = opposition input
    B= response

    a+3b = C

    Where C= Screw you buddy, you made me break you.

    So take any technique and use the following variables.

    xa + yb = C


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    Of course you can.

    sword of destruction...

    Where
    A = opposition input
    B= response

    a+3b = C

    Where C= Screw you buddy, you made me break you.

    So take any technique and use the following variables.

    xa + yb = C


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    Of course, but since it is the same motion, an outward block is now a BK; so, Sword Of Destruction, is now BK,P,3,k,P or some such nonsense, I am not saying I work out the math, I am saying it can be done, because its all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Of course, but since it is the same motion, an outward block is now a BK; so, Sword Of Destruction, is now BK,P,3,k,P or some such nonsense, I am not saying I work out the math, I am saying it can be done, because its all the same.

    What would be more interesting would be an you turn Sword of Destruction into a Proof in Trig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    What would be more interesting would be an you turn Sword of Destruction into a Proof in Trig?
    All my kenpo techniques equal out to zero; so, that bystanders don't get electrocuted during my quickening, "There Can Only Be One!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    I was always taught the feestyle and the self defense techs were the same thing.
    That's an interesting statement. Would you care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Dragon View Post
    That's an interesting statement. Would you care to elaborate?
    Consider the self defense ideas, are just names put to all that math you see in the Offensive techs.
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    If your offensive motion is different from your defensive motion you have a problem.
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