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    Way is it that we slap in the application of the technics but not when doing forms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpostudent4life View Post
    Way is it that we slap in the application of the technics but not when doing forms?
    The slap is about keeping your guard up, and consistently striking from the same spots. The forms are trying to look Japanese... I really think so.
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    Probably because most don't really know why they are slapping in the first place.
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    Way is it that we slap in the application of the technics but not when doing forms?
    Because "we" don't know what we're doing.
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    When you use the collective pronoun "we," you make an assumption that everyone does and understands what you do. That is not the case. I personally teach the B.A.M. or "slap" as you call it, and do in fact teach it as a part of forms training. All my students "Pak Sao" as a regular part of their training, learning "how," "when," and "why" for all physical movements. Never assume all kenpo is the same. It goes back to what I was just saying. People want to turn Ed Parker's Kenpo Karate into a "everyone learns and does the same thing" style. It is not, nor has it ever been.
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    Mr. Tatum recently put this information about slapping on his Facebook page.

    What do you think? Any information to add?

    Points on the body when slapped focus the brain on your sole purpose within a fight by self redirecting thoughts of fear or indecision (flight or fight) syndrome.

    The slaps can also be traced back to the Hawaiian Polynesians fighting arts and still used today within the famous :Haka:

    Also there is a sword fighting Art in India that when doing their movements they will slap the inside of their thighs while the sword is in action meant to control their fear in battle.

    Much like a boxer before going into the ring will have his trainer slap his face to bring out the rage and focus.

    We as kenpoist use this slapping method abundantly.

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    With due respect to Mr. Tatum... what is his physiological basis for these statements? Without those, this sounds like pure opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdparsons View Post
    With due respect to Mr. Tatum... what is his physiological basis for these statements? Without those, this sounds like pure opinion.

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    Or put another way, he simply doesn't understand either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crouching Tiger View Post
    Mr. Tatum recently put this information about slapping on his Facebook page.

    What do you think? Any information to add?

    Points on the body when slapped focus the brain on your sole purpose within a fight by self redirecting thoughts of fear or indecision (flight or fight) syndrome.

    The slaps can also be traced back to the Hawaiian Polynesians fighting arts and still used today within the famous :Haka:

    Also there is a sword fighting Art in India that when doing their movements they will slap the inside of their thighs while the sword is in action meant to control their fear in battle.

    Much like a boxer before going into the ring will have his trainer slap his face to bring out the rage and focus.

    We as kenpoist use this slapping method abundantly.
    Sounds like PNF to me, but then I am not a mad scientist... over run by the estrogen mafia.... no Wait.. yeah no... I bet Doc's gonna be all over this and maybe even Dave in da house... but from what I have seen and experienced, this has a small amount of validity. Funny that only after going to 11th degree he would finally recognize these things. just say'n. truly a sign the we can always learn something huh... LOL I look forward to Doc's post on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    Sounds like PNF to me, but then I am not a mad scientist... over run by the estrogen mafia.... no Wait.. yeah no... I bet Doc's gonna be all over this and maybe even Dave in da house... but from what I have seen and experienced, this has a small amount of validity. Funny that only after going to 11th degree he would finally recognize these things. just say'n. truly a sign the we can always learn something huh... LOL I look forward to Doc's post on this one.
    You may not be "mad" but you're definitely a scientist, and you're absolutely correct PNF is at the heart of the application for the "slap" but its applications and effects, (good and bad) are far reaching and understood by very few. Give me a minute sir, (I've got a lot on my plate at the moment) and we can get a little deeper into it. Not that YOU don't already do it quite effectively. I've seen some of your applications and they're on point and quite devastating and that puts you into a very elite group of "Kenpo" practitioners who has taken the time and done the research that Mr. Parker wanted everyone to do. It's the "why" that most miss, and when you know why, then it opens up other applications. Most either did what was in the manual, (cliff note kenpo) or a few simply chose to "mimic" Mr. Parker with zero understanding of what he was doing or why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crouching Tiger View Post
    Mr. Tatum recently put this information about slapping on his Facebook page.

    What do you think? Any information to add?

    Points on the body when slapped focus the brain on your sole purpose within a fight by self redirecting thoughts of fear or indecision (flight or fight) syndrome.

    The slaps can also be traced back to the Hawaiian Polynesians fighting arts and still used today within the famous :Haka:

    Also there is a sword fighting Art in India that when doing their movements they will slap the inside of their thighs while the sword is in action meant to control their fear in battle.

    Much like a boxer before going into the ring will have his trainer slap his face to bring out the rage and focus.

    We as kenpoist use this slapping method abundantly.
    So slapping or yourself or getting slapped before or during a fight will make you fight better, or is it just a ritual or custom to get your adrenal glands pumping? Sorry but the explanation given is dumb and without merit outside of the ritualistic neanderthal custom. Some chose to mimic Mr. Parker's movements without an understanding of their purpose, and then seek to find an explanation after the fact. However, in all fairness Ed Parker did not teach it to most either so I guess it's not their fault.
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    The "slap" is one of those things that I have seen in many other arts. In looking at Kuntao Silat, there are many moves that "slap" into yourself. In looking at Jow Gar Kung Fu, there are many stance changes that you purposely pick up the foot and replant it before the change instead of just rotating in place. What Doc shares and teaches is in MANY arts that trace back to the Chinese arts. Many people in the kenpo world don't want to admit that what Doc does has a purpose besides the "on the surface" explanations many people give. But, I have never come across any other teachers that explain the detailed reasons behind it other than, just do this or mimicking the slap because it looks neat.

    I am by no means an expert in the "kenpo slap", but any time you move or make contact with your own body you are changing your structure and how muscles respond to the stimulus. Hit it correctly and you are aiding in what you are trying to accomplish, do it wrong or the wrong timing and you are hindering what you are doing.

    For example, a simple "test" I would have my students do. Do a high elbow cover like a boxer defending against a hook punch, and hold it in place and have someone push your elbow in. It is fairly easy to do. Now do it again, but lightly touch the back of your head/neck with your fingertips and try to push the elbow in. It is much much harder to move it. Just a simple little thing adds so much more to your technique. As my instructor used to call it, "adding zeroes". Little tiny "nothings" to a technique that give exponential results (1, 10, 100, 1000 etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisher73 View Post
    The "slap" is one of those things that I have seen in many other arts. In looking at Kuntao Silat, there are many moves that "slap" into yourself. In looking at Jow Gar Kung Fu, there are many stance changes that you purposely pick up the foot and replant it before the change instead of just rotating in place. What Doc shares and teaches is in MANY arts that trace back to the Chinese arts. Many people in the kenpo world don't want to admit that what Doc does has a purpose besides the "on the surface" explanations many people give. But, I have never come across any other teachers that explain the detailed reasons behind it other than, just do this or mimicking the slap because it looks neat.

    I am by no means an expert in the "kenpo slap", but any time you move or make contact with your own body you are changing your structure and how muscles respond to the stimulus. Hit it correctly and you are aiding in what you are trying to accomplish, do it wrong or the wrong timing and you are hindering what you are doing.

    For example, a simple "test" I would have my students do. Do a high elbow cover like a boxer defending against a hook punch, and hold it in place and have someone push your elbow in. It is fairly easy to do. Now do it again, but lightly touch the back of your head/neck with your fingertips and try to push the elbow in. It is much much harder to move it. Just a simple little thing adds so much more to your technique. As my instructor used to call it, "adding zeroes". Little tiny "nothings" to a technique that give exponential results (1, 10, 100, 1000 etc.).
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    Sorry, I'll go back to toeing the party line...

    What I meant to say earlier is that the kenpo slap is done to create a loud noise to distract your opponent from your awesome speed or the attacker sees that you are willing to hit yourself, so there is nothing he can do to hurt you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisher73 View Post
    Sorry, I'll go back to toeing the party line...

    What I meant to say earlier is that the kenpo slap is done to create a loud noise to distract your opponent from your awesome speed or the attacker sees that you are willing to hit yourself, so there is nothing he can do to hurt you.
    Now that's Kenpo Karate. In all seriousness, it's always a pleasure to read your posts and your grasp of information especially when often I don't have to say anything because you already have.
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    I agree that the slaps have got to do with muscular reaction. More specifically with so-called opening and closing of the body.

    This ties in with fairly sophisticated principles of power generation. As Mr. Tatum already demonstrated a good understanding of those on some occasions, I am a bit surprised about his explanation for the slaps as quoted above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpostudent4life View Post
    Way is it that we slap in the application of the technicians but not when doing forms?
    Not all of us to Slap... personally the only time I use that motion is when I want to redirect a strike and not fight my own musculature to achieve that redirection. I don't think of it as a slap as much as a ricochet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    Not all of us to Slap... personally the only time I use that motion is when I want to redirect a strike and not fight my own musculature to achieve that redirection. I don't think of it as a slap as much as a ricochet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    Not all of us to Slap... personally the only time I use that motion is when I want to redirect a strike and not fight my own musculature to achieve that redirection. I don't think of it as a slap as much as a ricochet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Mr. Parker described that action as a "Rebound."
    Well he clearly had no idea what he was talking about...

    Pffff Rebound...... Bah... clearly it's a ricochet!! What madness would ever use a rebound for something like that?!?

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