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    Do you like to move slower with techniques on a body or do you move quickly? If so, which techniques do you move quicker on? If not, explain why please?
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    Default Re: Speed Striking

    Speed breeds sloppiness. Timing makes for proper technique, and looks very fast.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    Speed breeds sloppiness. Timing makes for proper technique, and looks very fast.
    But if you have good timing, can't you speed the technique up and still have that same timing?
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    Default Re: Speed Striking

    You must let your opponent react to your strikes.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Default Re: Speed Striking

    Each tec has its' own 'timing'. Watching a beginner do 5 swords .. will be far different than an upper BB doing the same tec.
    so not sure if I quite understand your question..
    I've seen students 'whip' through a tec on an uke.. totally losing all to speed.. their targeting goes out the window, the body mechanics/alignment/stances.. all forfeit.. for speed..
    so I would say my answer is... I utilize Timing for each tec not speed or lack-there-of.

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    Ok.....so the opponent reacts, they move a different way but before you can hit them again they have moved yet again. I am not saying you do not need timing, you deffinitely do but speed always helps as well.
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    well if the opponent moves in a different way than per norm.. you utilize the equation formula.. I am not sure if speed is what is needed.. Of course every situation will challenge us in umpteen ways..
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate
    Ok.....so the opponent reacts, they move a different way but before you can hit them again they have moved yet again. I am not saying you do not need timing, you deffinitely do but speed always helps as well.
    This is definitely a question for yo to bring up with Mr. Joe. He clued about 25 BB into the idea that timing is more important than speed at a camp I attended in 2000.

    Remember good kenpo is like playing pool, each shot sets up your next shot. When I strike someone, I am setting them up for thenext hit, but I alos have to let their body react to where i am putting it.
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    I am just saying f you have your timing down why go slower? And Bob from what I saw on your website you do not move slow at all.
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    When I do a technique I go at my natural speed, I am as fast as I from doing things over and over, and over until they become natural. I don't try to go fast. I just go at what ever speed it neccessary for the situation. You will notice I always put the attacker into the position for the next hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    When I do a technique I go at my natural speed, I am as fast as I from doing things over and over, and over until they become natural. I don't try to go fast. I just go at what ever speed it neccessary for the situation. You will notice I always put the attacker into the position for the next hit.
    Ok now that I am actually analyzing it, you do put them into the next position. I am wrong than? Geeze when have I heard that before?
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    The last time I saw Mr. Joe he said he will never be anywhere near as fast as he was when he was young, but his timing has so greatly improved over the many years of study that he just appears to be very fast still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    The last time I saw Mr. Joe he said he will never be anywhere near as fast as he was when he was young, but his timing has so greatly improved over the many years of study that he just appears to be very fast still.
    He might have slowed down, but he still wales you. If you go to the WKKA website you will see him as he moves now.
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    I was his dummy for a demo in 2000, and felt it for a few days
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    I was his dummy for a demo in 2000, and felt it for a few days
    LOL see now you know where I am coming from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    You must let your opponent react to your strikes.
    Danggit! You stole my reply!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    Danggit! You stole my reply!!
    We seem to have a rash of that in these threads lately LOL
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    OK, now that it is established that parkerkarate is wrong (sorry guy), let's see if he maybe has a little point. Speed can be a good thing, as long as other elements (like timeing, structure, allignment, etc.) are not sacrificed. There are many types of speed, other than the rate you are moving at, as well. Examples: apparent speed- taking advantage of the natural flinch induced from a strike to launch another, unnoticed until too late to counter. Borrowed speed- taking advantage of his forward motion to shorten the distance as you strike. The speed of technique when there is no wasted motion.

    All these examples depend on timeing to work properly. But timeing also depends to some degree on speed. All the elements, the principles and concepts, have to work together. My $0.02, hope it's worth it.
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    ...also what may be fast to one may be incedibly slow to another
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    Speed is a by product of efficiency. If you're efficient in executing maneuvers correcly using proper body mechanics, correct breathing, and use the correct tempo in sync with your opponents reactions then speed is incidental.

    IMHO =)
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