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    Default April 2013 TOM - Fists Of Fury

    Fists Of Fury:
    Inside Defense Against a Right Punch

    1) Drop back into a right neutral bow executing a left rear outward block simultaneously with a right inward block (double block)
    *Left hand strikes radial nerve right hand strikes biceps

    2) Transitioning into a forward lunge execute a right back knuckle strike to attackers right temple immediately followed by a left fore-knuckle strike to the same target
    *right hand continues to travel chambering at right hip while left hand checks for incoming action

    3) Transition back into a neutral bow executing a right uppercut punch to attackers left floating rib/solar plexus

    4) Left foot steps up the circle as you execute a left back knuckle to attackers left temple
    *right hand moves up and chambers for final strike (close to right ear) footwork positions you to use torque for the next strike

    5) Pivot, settle, and use the torque in executing a right fore knuckle to attackers left temple - cover out
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    Default Re: April 2013 TOM - Fists Of Fury

    Looks very much like Five Swords ... but different.

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    Default Re: April 2013 TOM - Fists Of Fury

    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    Looks very much like Five Swords ... but different.
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    Default Re: April 2013 TOM - Fists Of Fury

    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    Looks very much like Five Swords ... but different.
    More like Four Fists.

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    Default Re: April 2013 TOM - Fists Of Fury

    Is there a particular reason why we choose the fore-knuckles for this technique, as opposed to a boxer's hook, leading with the dragon's head for example?
    For me, when I use the fore-knuckles, this technique feels very technical and precise (which is great; not complaining) :P But when I use hook punches, it feels brutal and hard, and maybe a bit more chaotic (which makes me feel like an enraged Bruce Lee, haha).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadedKamui View Post
    Is there a particular reason why we choose the fore-knuckles for this technique, as opposed to a boxer's hook, leading with the dragon's head for example?
    For me, when I use the fore-knuckles, this technique feels very technical and precise (which is great; not complaining) :P But when I use hook punches, it feels brutal and hard, and maybe a bit more chaotic (which makes me feel like an enraged Bruce Lee, haha).
    It's faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    It's faster.
    By a hundredth of a second? How long does it possibly take to turn your wrist an extra 5 degrees? I think taking that "time" would be well worth it to lay into them with a full hook using the powerful knuckles as opposed to the weaker fore-knuckles.

    I mostly ask this question because proper hooks aren't used at all in the IKCA (that I know of) and I was curious why, and I thought this was a fantastic technique to have them in.

    Now be assured I'm referring to actual hook punches, not that wide-swinging bar room garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadedKamui View Post
    By a hundredth of a second? How long does it possibly take to turn your wrist an extra 5 degrees? I think taking that "time" would be well worth it to lay into them with a full hook using the powerful knuckles as opposed to the weaker fore-knuckles.

    I mostly ask this question because proper hooks aren't used at all in the IKCA (that I know of) and I was curious why, and I thought this was a fantastic technique to have them in.

    Now be assured I'm referring to actual hook punches, not that wide-swinging bar room garbage.
    Much of the power from the hook is in the rotation of the body. This is more wing chun-esque, meaning the power comes from the center line. There is nothing wrong with your method, its just a different power source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Much of the power from the hook is in the rotation of the body. This is more wing chun-esque, meaning the power comes from the center line. There is nothing wrong with your method, its just a different power source.
    I guess that makes sense. I believe Master LeRoux trained wing chun, so that might be why this is preferred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadedKamui View Post
    Is there a particular reason why we choose the fore-knuckles for this technique, as opposed to a boxer's hook, leading with the dragon's head for example?
    For me, when I use the fore-knuckles, this technique feels very technical and precise (which is great; not complaining) :P But when I use hook punches, it feels brutal and hard, and maybe a bit more chaotic (which makes me feel like an enraged Bruce Lee, haha).
    Couple of things are at work here. The foreknuckles follow the backknuckles to the targets, on the same arc. Knuckles follow knuckles. The arcs of this techniques are more vertical than horizontal, picture the infinity symbol. This allows for flowing into the follow-up torso shot and the subsequent combination. Having said that, anchoring of the elbows with proper stance changes is crucial to the power generation of this technique. Fists of Fury is a very compact, close-range technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    Looks very much like Five Swords ... but different.
    5 swords, leaping crane and thundering hammers is common all through the many Chow lineage systems. As are many other techs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoGhost View Post
    More like Four Fists.
    Very similar. Four Fists has you going to the midsection with the 3rd and 4th hits, but same family and flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadedKamui View Post
    I guess that makes sense. I believe Master LeRoux trained wing chun, so that might be why this is preferred.
    Upon thinking about your position on the matter, I suggest you consider straight shots your base, and hook punches as the option, because both sources of power have their uses, and I think you will be cheating yourself if you discard the center line stuff; besides, doesn't that limit you to boxing range?
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