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    Default May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    OPENING:
    1. Attention Stance
    2. Bow.
    3. Signify.
    4. Step your left foot to a meditative horse stance.

    1. Start from a horse stance facing 12 o'clock.

    2. Step your right foot forward towards 12 o'clock into a right neutral bow while executing a right inward block with your left hand checking low. Execute a right outward hand sword. (Sink into a wide kneel utilizing marriage of gravity.)

    3. Step your left foot forward towards 12 o'clock into a left neutral bow while executing a left inward block with your right hand checking low. Execute a left outward hand sword. (Sink into a wide kneel.)

    4. Slide your left foot into a left cat stance while covering your right fist (on hip, palm up) with a left vertical fist. Step out into a left neutral bow facing 9 o'clock while simultaneously executing a left outward block and a right reverse punch.

    5. Slide your right foot into a right cat stance facing 12 o'clock while covering your left hand (on hip, palm up) with a right vertical fist. Step out into a right neutral bow facing 3 o'clock while simultaneously executing a right outward block and a left reverse punch.

    6. Slide your left foot into a left cat stance facing 12 o'clock. Have your hands at your right hip, left over the right. Step toward 5 o'clock with your left foot, pivoting into a left wide kneel facing 6 o'clock as you simultaneously execute a left upward block and a right middle knuckle with a vertical downward snap.

    7. V-step your right foot to 12 o'clock into a right wide kneel while simultaneously executing a right upward block and a left verticle raking middle knuckle with a vertical downward snap.

    8. Slide your left foot back into a left cat stance facing 12 o'clock and have your hands at your right hip, right hand over left. Step your left foot to 4:30 into a left neutral bow while executing a left downward block.

    9. Step through to 4:30 into a right neutral bow while executing a right palm heel strike while your left hand checks your mid-section.

    10. V-step your right foot to 7:30 into a right neutral bow while executing a right downward block.

    11. Step to 7:30, into a left neutral bow while executing a left palm heel strike while your right hand checks your mid-section.

    12. Slide your right foot back into a cat stance and turn clockwise to 1:30 while executing a left inward block with the right hand cocking palm up at the waist.

    13. Step to 1:30 into a right neutral bow while executing a right extended outward block with the left hand cocked palm up in a half-fist at your rib cage.

    14. Shift into a right forward bow while executing a left half-fist at throat level.

    15. Slide your left foot forward into a cat stance and turn counterclockwise to 10:30 while executing a right inward block with the left hand cocking itself palm up at your waist.

    16. Step to 10:3 into a left neutral bow while executing a left extended outward block with your right hand cocked palm up in a half-fist at your rib cage.

    17. Shift into a left forward bow while executing a right half-fist at throat level.

    18. Shift your foot so you are in a meditative horse stance facing 12 o'clock.
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Sorry everyone for posting Kicking set in here. It has now been corrected.
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    So what does Short Form 2 teach us? Let's get the ball rolling.....
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    So what does Short Form 2 teach us?
    Block and Counter with the same hand.

    Block and Counter with both hands at the same time.

    Block and Counter with both hands in sequence.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Here are two interesting questions with respect to Short Form 2:

    (1) What is the purpose of the "cup and saucer" move as you pull back to the cat stance?

    (2) Why is a neutral bow employed (as opposed to a forward bow) when doing the simultaneous block and punch towards 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock?
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Here are two interesting questions with respect to Short Form 2:

    (1) What is the purpose of the "cup and saucer" move as you pull back to the cat stance?

    (2) Why is a neutral bow employed (as opposed to a forward bow) when doing the simultaneous block and punch towards 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock?
    (1) It illustrates the kenpo principle of c.o.c.k.i.n.g (filter may block it) Also since this is a transitional movement as our feet go from one position to another our hands should also transition.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    (1) It illustrates the kenpo principle of c.o.c.k.i.n.g (filter may block it) Also since this is a transitional movement as our feet go from one position to another our hands should also transition.
    Very true, but why DRAW BOTH FISTS TO THE HIP before blocking and striking? I know this is a dictionary form, and there are no written applications, but as you know Martin, we would get demolished if we did that on the street.

    What specific applications can we come up with for the "cup and saucer"?
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    ... we would get demolished if we did that on the street...
    Amen brother!

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Possible armbreak defense against cross wrist grab <amongst others>, remember the first couple of forms, while having fighting application are expressions of basic skills.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Since Martin left this for others .... I will be others ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    (2) Why is a neutral bow employed (as opposed to a forward bow) when doing the simultaneous block and punch towards 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock?
    It is the difference in power principle and timing.

    When we execute the outward block with the punch, our power principle is Torque. (as in Short Form 2)

    When we execute the outward block and then the punch, our power principle is Backup Mass. (as in Long Form 1)

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    I would argue that the cup and saucer is a mnemonic about pre-placement that got traditionalized, losing the context around the original purpose.

    For anyone familiar with the concept of an "index"...proprioceptively, the body is always asking, "where am I in space", and the more input is has from it's own sensors to answer that question, the better job it can do providing speed, power and stability to motion. The hip index is the position of hand on the hip; the "cup" hand can be turned into an internal rotation plyometric pre-stretch by internally rotating/pronating the forearm another quarter turn. This gives the body the vital "3 points of contact" sensory feedback piece for answering the perpetual "where amd I", as well as placing greater pre-strike tension and stability on the joints, and the muscles bridging & girding them.

    Killed in the street? Try a drill in which you explode into the outward with the strike, from points of contact at the cup & saucer, but clean up the rotation and placement at the hip first (your hip is too low...should be at the height of the bottom ribs). Your hands come around from behind you at a blinding rate, and with much more centripital force crashing into the guy with both the block, and the punch. 10 reps of this, increasing the intensity each time while focusing on maintaining the alignment and integrity of timing in movment between your upper and lower carriage, and you end up blasting with them. Try it, and then see if it might not be a possible explanation for the cup & saucer placement.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Dave in da house
    Try a drill in which you explode into the outward with the strike, from points of contact at the cup & saucer, but clean up the rotation and placement at the hip first (your hip is too low...should be at the height of the bottom ribs). Your hands come around from behind you at a blinding rate, and with much more centripital force crashing into the guy with both the block, and the punch. 10 reps of this, increasing the intensity each time while focusing on maintaining the alignment and integrity of timing in movment between your upper and lower carriage, and you end up blasting with them. Try it, and then see if it might not be a possible explanation for the cup & saucer placement.

    Regards,

    Dave
    Thanks for the post. We tried this one with a private student tonight and enjoyed it. Always nice to have multiple instights into things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward
    It is the difference in power principle and timing.

    When we execute the outward block with the punch, our power principle is Torque. (as in Short Form 2)

    When we execute the outward block and then the punch, our power principle is Backup Mass. (as in Long Form 1)
    Okay .... I must have been under the influence on this ....cuz these are backwards, aren't they?

    When we execute the outward block with the punch, the power principle is Backup Mass.

    When we execute the outward block and then the punch, the power principle is Torque (Base...Pivot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward
    I'll be in the corner doing 100 push-ups
    ROFL!!!

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Short Form 2 is the January 2010 Form of the Month. Lets see what all we can add to the discussion about this great form.
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Short Form 2

    Make sure you don't go "around" with your punch on step four.
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