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    What competitions were you watching? This past Olympics all the points were off the front foot, they wera shin and instep pads, forearm pads, special gloves, headgear and the chest protectors can take a hit from a club and not phase you.
    You'd be surprised at how painful WTF TKD is even with the gear. It makes it safer, not painless. Not by a LONG shot.
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    What competitions were you watching? This past Olympics all the points were off the front foot, they wera shin and instep pads, forearm pads, special gloves, headgear and the chest protectors can take a hit from a club and not phase you.
    US Olympian vs UK Olympian.




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    Vancouver is hosting the Winter Olympics
    Think Kenpo on Ice.

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    Two thoughts come to mind as I consider this more intently:
    First, this being ke(M)po rather than the ken(n)po, what might the rules be and what would the format be? I don't know. Curious question.

    Second, at first blush Ithink this may be Mr. Speakman's attempts to continue Mr. Parker's efforts to spread American Kenpo. There are some very successful schools but, there are hopes to develop more. By becoming affiliated with the I.K.F., Mr. Speakman is moving the art forward. Some may feel this is to the detriment of the art but many don't have that same notion and look forward to Kenpo becoming more commonplace. I'm thinking the style of sparring common to 5.0 is becoming more acceptable and contemporary. Then, that's just my little ol' opinion.
    Well I would have to say that for those concerned that kenpo might get watered down, you're too late. It already is virtually Tae Bo with a tad more structure.

    As far as the Olympics, while I feel that for many this would be a step up, not down, the end product is always influenced by the rules of the contest.

    TKD looks like TKD in a contest because the rules insure the TKD physical Identity is prevalent and necessary to win. Judo looks like Judo because they use Judo Identity Rules. The same goes for Olympic Boxing, Wrestling, etc. How it could be implemented so that Kenpo can express its physical identity separate from other kick punch grappling arts, I don't know. On the surface it appears they would all end up looking the same like most point contests today, absent "Identity Focused Rules."

    In the end however, the concept of the sparring methods promoted by Jeff is a really good one, and would or should be closer to consideration than anything else that comes to mind at the moment. But on the down side, how that would help to establish a "Kenpo" identity separate from other MMA, kick, punch type Martial Identity contests, I don't know, but definitely worthy of consideration should the process open.

    I applaud jeff for his efforts, regardless of the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol Kaur View Post
    US Olympian vs UK Olympian.




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    The funny thing is the kick to the groin was illegal, and they had to stop the contest to give him time to recover. The identity of the sport is always more important than anything else as will be protected at all costs by the rules.
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    The identity of the sport is always more important than anything else as will be protected at all costs by the rules.
    Doc,

    Sir you have seen many changes over the years, both before and after Mr. Parker's passing. In your above mentioned statement do you feel that the same concept should be applied to a martial discipline such as Kenpo?

    On another note, what do you feel is the single most important aspect to the arts that Mr. Parker shared with you, and if you could share only one thing, or one statement about kenpo with the world what would it be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Doc,

    Sir you have seen many changes over the years, both before and after Mr. Parker's passing. In your above mentioned statement do you feel that the same concept should be applied to a martial disiplin such as Kenpo?

    On another note, what do you feel is the single most important aspect to the arts that Mr. Parker shared with you, and if you could share only one thing, or one statement about kenpo with the world what would it be.

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    There as always been a division in the arts between the scholars and the warriors. Warriors want to compete against each other, and show their "warrior spirit." Scholars have always said, "The only true contest is unrestricted combat." and recognized that sport contests boost the spirit at the sacrifice of combat skills.

    Original arts were practiced for many reasons other than combat, and thus contained spiritual, health, and archival informative components. The focus on the sport strips away everything that does not conform to the rules of the contests that could lead to victory.

    Modern day Kenpo in the Parker Lineage is not a "martial discipline." It is supposed to be a contemporary personal empty hand self-defense vehicle, for the common person for everyday life's potentially perilous circumstances. It is supposed to contain all of the archival information contained in the Traditional Chinese Arts, presented from a modern day perspective, and cannot be reconciled in a way that would be consistent with the rules and constraints of modern day "martial sports" contests.

    Modern Practitioners tend to blur the lines between tough contests, and street combat, often confusing the two or giving them the same label. Mr. Parker taught me How to think. To examine a problem and extrapolate reasonable solutions, based on the realities of modern, contemporary, empty-hand street self-defense, over unrealistic contests or binding cultural traditions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    Tae Kwon Do exploded because of the Olympics. If you were around in 1984-85 you saw a mass influx of Tae Kwon Do Masters coming in from Korea.
    MAN... you aint kiddin! That, combined with the magical promotion jets that brought them here (((ones that mysteriously accepted a 1st or 2nd Dan in Korea and deposited a 7th or 8th Dan in America))) added up to a HUGE wattering down and lowering the bar for TKD in America!!!! I'm not a huge fan of TKD, but having seen firsthand the difference between the ones that are "Olympic", and then those that are of the late 80's TKD bloom compared to the more traditional pre-1980 TKD.... there is a HUGE difference!

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    The funny thing is the kick to the groin was illegal, and they had to stop the contest to give him time to recover. The identity of the sport is always more important than anything else as will be protected at all costs by the rules.
    I was wondering about that. I don't know the rules myself having never trained in any form of TKD, but I've seen several folks in hogu land groin kicks. By contrast, the Brady brothers did their competing before the hogu was introduced, and it seemed very rare for them to land such a kick in competition -- especially a prominent one. (Not saying it didn't happen though...)

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    kenpo or kempo as an olympic sport has absolutely no chance. There is definitely a chance for martial arts to make a bigger splash and become an olympic sport given the rising popularity of grappling and MMA.

    What does has a chance is some form of MMA that will most likely resemble pankration. A Kenpo stylist could use our philosphies and do very well in it, note Machida in the UFC with his Karate background and abilities.

    personally I would like to see the following..

    GR Wrestling
    Submission Grappling
    Judo
    Jiu Jitsu with Gi.
    Boxing
    MMA(Pankration style rules)

    this would give you a great taste of the following..
    stand up range, in boxing to emphasize footwork and upper body movement

    clinch range, to emphasize the throws and takedowns

    grappling range, to emphasize the ground fighting.

    a combination of combat done with and without gi's to give a combination of ideas on using handles(clothing) and not using handles(no gi type)

    A Kenpoist would is in excellent physical condition, and has a firm understanding and ability to work our concepts and principles would have a great chance to excell in the sport.

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    I think Kenpo in the Olympics would be.... Unique.

    If it was to become an Olympic sport, and I was in charge of the rules/regulations, these would be some:

    Open palm sparring gloves.
    Striking to the groin permitted (bring a good cup people)
    Applying pressure to certain tender spots on the body permitted (i.e. sticking your thumb under the jaw, the ribs, carotid artery, the sciatic nerve, etc.)
    No headbutting.
    No fish-hooking.
    No eye-gouges (even though us Kenpoists would love the opportunity)
    Elbows, knees, permitted....

    Anybody have anything to add?

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    they should do it as a triathlon of events, Fighting, Forms and Self Defense.

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