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    In my school because of my background in MA I'm continually getting shown advanced parts of the art by my instructors, (cool huh?) last week I learned the crescent and spinning reverse crescent kicks.

    This is done by getting to the basic kicking position first (Knee raised and then executing the kick) I like it and it is effective in that you don't see the kick until it is executed, and shows economy in motion. Is this the norm in your schools?

    In my experience in CLF (No crecsent in WC) it is a much more visible kick with the leg making a much larger arch by swinging the entire leg from the hip.
    I have also notice the execution is the same as this in TKD, and even the MMA I've seen on the UFC.

    With that said I'm not knocking it I like it I just wanted to know your thoughts and how your school executes it.

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    I do both styles of crescent kicks, and use both styles in my sparring. I prefer the chinese stye of kicking in my forms
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    Rob,
    Why do you prefer the longer Chinese style of the kick it is easy to track because of the range? lot's of the Chinese arts practice no kicking above the waist so why practice with that? Power? i also noticed that quite a few of the kenpo/Kempo book I've looked at have it as the full leg crescent kick, so i was just wondering why you prefer it. The WC in me likes the hidden style better but that is just me.

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    I lke the chinese vesion for my forms/hyung/poomse/kata etc... I like the way it makes the form look. The chinese version may be easier to track when you are sparring, but it is great for moving your opponent back or for setting up another strike
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    Try doing the crescent kick to the inside leg just above the knee when sparring.


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    Calico Kid wrote:
    This is done by getting to the basic kicking position first (Knee raised and then executing the kick) I like it and it is effective in that you don't see the kick until it is executed, and shows economy in motion.

    I love this kick (as you initially described) because it is very deceptive. I've had it work with a higher effectiveness then even the front kicks because of the obscure path and, by my experience that most folks in our beloved system/art aren't accustom to seeing a fat guy that can throw kicks to the head.

    My problem with it is that it is limited. No real back up mass, no considerable power. Most folks don't have massively large hip flexors to pull that dude around with a great deal of evil intent. I suppose you might be able to land a knock out if the opponent's chin is up...but, this kick just doesn't seem to be a finisher for me.

    That doesn't mean I don't use it to set something else up though.


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    We don't do the straight legged crescent. We chamber the kick and whip the leg across with full extension at point of contact.

    We teach a basic, defensive crescent as well as an advanced, offensive version. The first one has a broader range of swing, say, corner to corner, and is used as a blocking kick. The second one is "shoulder to shoulder" in range and is used as an offensive strike.
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    Outward crescent kicks work well for me when I am at close range and fighting near my opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico Kid View Post
    In my school because of my background in MA I'm continually getting shown advanced parts of the art by my instructors, (cool huh?) last week I learned the crescent and spinning reverse crescent kicks.

    This is done by getting to the basic kicking position first (Knee raised and then executing the kick) I like it and it is effective in that you don't see the kick until it is executed, and shows economy in motion. Is this the norm in your schools?

    In my experience in CLF (No crecsent in WC) it is a much more visible kick with the leg making a much larger arch by swinging the entire leg from the hip.
    I have also notice the execution is the same as this in TKD, and even the MMA I've seen on the UFC.

    With that said I'm not knocking it I like it I just wanted to know your thoughts and how your school executes it.

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    Try a spinning outward crecsent followed by an inward crecsent kick with the other leg.
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    I first seen that kick used in the old Billy Jack movie, an outward cresent kick. I remembered what Billy Jack said right before he kicked him. I'm going to wap you right here> and you know what? What? There is not a dame thing you going to be able to do about it! It's a close quarter kick. Nubreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Try a spinning outward crecsent followed by an inward crecsent kick with the other leg.
    Now take it air born
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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Now take it air born
    We call that the "Butterfly" or "Double Reverse Crescent."
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    I really like the front leg outside crescent kick as a "jab." It is fast, easy to get high, and unexpected at close range.
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    "you know what I'm going to do? just for the hell of it, I'm going take my right foot and I'm going wop you on that side of your face, and you know what?? theres not a dame thing you could do about it",,, oh wait wrong movie, i guess all this talk about Crescent Kicks did it to me, LOL just having fun guys.
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    I learned both methods of delivery. I prefer the long circular version as a warm up for the hips and the "knee chamber and snap" for actual use.

    I see the crescent/reverse crescent kicks as having their main usefulness as blocks, eg covering the moon, block the front kick and then front kick the attacker--just the variation that I prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Now take it air born
    We called that a butterfly kick in my TKD days. I still like it...I just can't get the altitude I did when I was 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico Kid View Post
    In my school because of my background in MA I'm continually getting shown advanced parts of the art by my instructors, (cool huh?) last week I learned the crescent and spinning reverse crescent kicks.

    This is done by getting to the basic kicking position first (Knee raised and then executing the kick) I like it and it is effective in that you don't see the kick until it is executed, and shows economy in motion. Is this the norm in your schools?

    In my experience in CLF (No crecsent in WC) it is a much more visible kick with the leg making a much larger arch by swinging the entire leg from the hip.
    I have also notice the execution is the same as this in TKD, and even the MMA I've seen on the UFC.

    With that said I'm not knocking it I like it I just wanted to know your thoughts and how your school executes it.

    CK

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    We are almost never shown "advanced" kicking, but the way I do cresent kicks is to swing my knee in an arc and pop a normal front kick when I am in line with the target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toejoe2k View Post
    I love this kick (as you initially described) because it is very deceptive. I've had it work with a higher effectiveness then even the front kicks because of the obscure path and, by my experience that most folks in our beloved system/art aren't accustom to seeing a fat guy that can throw kicks to the head.

    My problem with it is that it is limited. No real back up mass, no considerable power. Most folks don't have massively large hip flexors to pull that dude around with a great deal of evil intent. I suppose you might be able to land a knock out if the opponent's chin is up...but, this kick just doesn't seem to be a finisher for me.

    That doesn't mean I don't use it to set something else up though.


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    I agree that those kicks aren't finishers, but find them effective in controlling the centerline by knocking down the guard. For example, a right inward cresent followed by a right hook. It can also be converted into an axe kick, both of which can be incorporated into some SD techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Now take it air born
    Sounds like a Tornado kick...they can be powerful because of the rotational momentum if you're able to land it.

    The dilema with most spinning or aerial techniques is not telegraphing it a mile away and once you commit... One way to avoid this is to lead with a ridge hand or hook that gets you turning before you initiate the spinning kick and hopefully gets uke moving backwards so they can't easily jam the spin.
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    come on people, put your Crecsent Kick down for a min Billy Jack was a great movie,,come on
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