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    Default May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    The title gives away the theme of the form, but what other lessons does it teach?
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    The title gives away the theme of the form, but what other lessons does it teach?
    Response to varied angles of attack responses. Mass Attack is an excellent form to show the variety of Kenpo's arsenal.
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    I think it really works the 'what if' angle.

    Just when you think you've kicked all the butt you can kick, someone else comes out of the woodwork.

    Awareness of surroundings.

    It's amazing to me how many people have no awareness of what's around them. Practicing mass attack keeps your eyes moving and your awareness shifting.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Most forms do a technique power side followed by weak side. Mass Attack does the entire form power side, followed by the entire form weak side. It creates a different sort of awareness of your body and motion that way.
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    When I first learned Mass Attack circa 1973, I was only required to learn it from the dominant side. Later, while visiting Mr Tracy, he asked that I perform Mass Attack B (non dominant side). Having never done it, I think that I got through the first two techniques before becoming too baffled to continue. --I always tell that story when I teach Mass Attack B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanna
    When I first learned Mass Attack circa 1973, I was only required to learn it from the dominant side. Later, while visiting Mr Tracy, he asked that I perform Mass Attack B (non dominant side). Having never done it, I think that I got through the first two techniques before becoming too baffled to continue. --I always tell that story when I teach Mass Attack B.

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    I don't "teach it" anymore. I still require that everyone do it, but I have moved more towards having my students, as GM Tracy did to/for you, hack it out for themselves. I think it is rather enlightening that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodave
    I don't "teach it" anymore. I still require that everyone do it, but I have moved more towards having my students, as GM Tracy did to/for you, hack it out for themselves. I think it is rather enlightening that way.
    Can you please explain why you "don't teach it?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Kenpo
    Can you please explain why you "don't teach it?"

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    Given that students already know the form from their power side, I find that it is better for them to teach the weak side to themselves. First, they tend to retain it better (and the power side), and they tend to understand their own movements better. It is a step towards teaching them to ask and answer their own questions, as they are nearing the level where they will no longer have ongoing, weekly instruction.
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodave
    Given that students already know the form from their power side, I find that it is better for them to teach the weak side to themselves. First, they tend to retain it better (and the power side), and they tend to understand their own movements better. It is a step towards teaching them to ask and answer their own questions, as they are nearing the level where they will no longer have ongoing, weekly instruction.
    Good answer Dave. I do pretty much the same thing. I also, however, have beginning students teach their newest techniques to newer students. This, of course, is done under observation of an instructor, but I like the idea of, very early on, getting students to think for themselves. When they have to teach it, they tend to figure it out more readily, and it opens them up to their own possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigung86
    Good answer Dave. I do pretty much the same thing. I also, however, have beginning students teach their newest techniques to newer students. This, of course, is done under observation of an instructor, but I like the idea of, very early on, getting students to think for themselves. When they have to teach it, they tend to figure it out more readily, and it opens them up to their own possibilities.
    Exactly. It gives them "permission" to answer their own questions.
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    Default the real secret behind Mass Attacks Kata

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    I think it really works the 'what if' angle.
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    Awareness of surroundings.
    It's amazing to me how many people have no awareness of what's around them. Practicing mass attack keeps your eyes moving and your awareness shifting.--Amy


    Yes, and?

    “Mass attacks” Kata is a systemized “2 attack" group of sequences.

    So you are trained to fight one then another all the way through the form.

    That is IMPORTANT because most people hit one guy, and then are not trained to segue to the next.

    And if you are not trained in going from one person to another, no matter where they are on the clock you can NOT do it spontaneously.

    I’ve developed some neat feedback Waza for that;-)

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanna View Post
    When I first learned Mass Attack circa 1973, I was only required to learn it from the dominant side. Later, while visiting Mr Tracy, he asked that I perform Mass Attack B (non dominant side). Having never done it, I think that I got through the first two techniques before becoming too baffled to continue. --I always tell that story when I teach Mass Attack B.Jim
    Hummm?

    In my opinon there is NO reason to ever have any student (or teacher) do that Kata from the non-dominant side.

    This topic has already been covered much.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    From what I have been told, Long Forms 3 and 4 were not scored well in tournaments in the early 1960s because most of the tournaments in those days were held by Japanese stylists.

    Around 1963, Ed Parker gave several of his black belts (including the Tracy brothers) permission to create a form that would "look good" in open forms competition. This is where Mass Attacks came in, and although it was an "unauthorized" Kenpo form, it had Ed Parker's approval. Since it was "unauthorized", Ed Parker gave the leeway of competitors to alter it as they see fit to improve their chances in tournaments, and to fit the form to the individual. Mass Attacks later became a required form in the Tracy system.

    I still know this form, and continue to practice it from time to time (but like John La Tourrette suggested, I practice the dominant side only).
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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Hummm?

    In my opinon there is NO reason to ever have any student (or teacher) do that Kata from the non-dominant side.

    This topic has already been covered much.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette

    When I was gearing up for my Fifth test I made sure that I could do all my katas dominant and nondominant side, facing any of the four walls of my dojo. After my Mass Attack fiasco I promised myself I would be ready for anything that Mr Tracy asked me to do. After my promotion, I never practiced the forms again from the nondominant side. When I think about it, I really don't regret the time/work into the nondominant side practice. It was a sideroad on my kenpo journey. If some guys want to run further down that road, then that's ok too. I'm sure they have their purposes.

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    Default Re: May 2006 - Form of the Month - Mass Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook View Post
    From what I have been told, Long Forms 3 and 4 were not scored well in tournaments in the early 1960s because most of the tournaments in those days were held by Japanese stylists.
    Yep.

    One of the reasons Mass Attacks was made up was to win tournaments, and it did. It is also a great Kata.

    On another note, L-3 also won, "IF" it was hardened a bit by adding Shotokan reverse punches, breathing and foot-stomping.

    Once the "hard" was added all those taekwon-do and other hard stylists just about fell in love.

    The same with L-4. Sandy Sandoval was the master of winning with that one, even in a hard style tournament.

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