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    Some very highly rated people in Aikido seem to think so

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    Default Re: Is Chi the Holy Spirit?

    High ranking in Aikido, not very knowledgable of theology. lol at least not the Holy Spirit of the Christian faith.
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    I would say no...two completely different things
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    Gentlemen:
    I'll research.the quote. I believe the concept should not be so easily dismissed.

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    It is utterly dismissible.
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    What's dismissaable Chi or the Holy Spirit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    What's dismissaable Chi or the Holy Spirit?
    That chi is the Holy Spirit.
    i wont argue the existence or not, of either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    Some very highly rated people in Aikido seem to think so
    Very simple answer..

    No...

    Unless you believe it to be.... in which case..

    Yes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    Very simple answer..

    No...

    Unless you believe it to be.... in which case..

    Yes...
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    make sense?
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    Hi Nelson

    You are right on the mark.

    Chi translates as 'air', and it is just one variation of the ancient concept of a universal, all-pervasive life force using air as an analogy. Other examples include the Indian prana and the Greek pneuma. (It may actually be a little more than an analogy, as air can indeed be a carrier of chi, especially if it's clean and fresh, and that's why we find so many traditional breathing exercises in martial arts, chi-gung, yoga etc.)

    Now the equivalent Hebrew word is ruach, which also means wind, breath, and spirit. The ruach of a human can enter them and be transmitted to someone else etc. That said, ruach (just like the Greek pneuma) is also frequently used in reference to the Holy Spirit.

    Moreover, all of that ties in with the ancient cosmology, in which the spiritus mundi or 'world soul' was the medium interweaving all animate and inanimate matter as well as acting as the intermediary between the divine world and the human world.

    And when George Lucas created his Star Wars series, he didn't invent the concept of The Force as a universal energy field that the Jedi knights draw their superhuman abilities from out of thin air, but was obviously inspired by this ancient concept.

    Hope this answers your question.

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    I believe to translate chi as “air” would be a heavy oversimplification. The concept in the Chinese methods certainly carries more that simple air.

    that being said, it is possible to read into these concepts any of a number of issues, and therefore it is possible to find a way to justify it as being just about anything one might want.

    i will point out that some conservative Christian groups have been opposed to the “mystical” (read: chi-gong) aspects of the Eastern martial arts as being the work of the devil. In their eyes, chi is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. So really, anybody can read into it whatever they want.

    in my opinion chi and the Holy Spirit cannot be proven nor disproven. If one is to believe in them, then they are things that must be taken on faith as there is no genuine and measurable proof of their existence.
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    Michael, I agree with you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    I believe to translate chi as “air” would be a heavy oversimplification. The concept in the Chinese methods certainly carries more that simple air.
    This is a literal translation. Of course the concept carries much more than 'air' (particularly in a physical sense).

    that being said, it is possible to read into these concepts any of a number of issues, and therefore it is possible to find a way to justify it as being just about anything one might want.
    I was simply confirming that the perspective set forth by Nelson is a viable one, as the concept of a universal vital force associated with an all pervasive world soul can be found across several cultures.

    i will point out that some conservative Christian groups have been opposed to the “mystical” (read: chi-gong) aspects of the Eastern martial arts as being the work of the devil. In their eyes, chi is most definitely NOT the Holy Spirit. So really, anybody can read into it whatever they want.
    Those groups lack understanding of the background of their own religion.

    in my opinion chi and the Holy Spirit cannot be proven nor disproven. If one is to believe in them, then they are things that must be taken on faith as there is no genuine and measurable proof of their existence.
    I don't share that view. But at any rate, that would be a whole different discussion (that I have no inclination to enter now). IF we assume chi and the Holy Spirit to exist, supposing that they are intimately connected to each other makes alot of sense. So much for Nelson's question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Dragon View Post

    Those groups lack understanding of the background of their own religion.

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    and I am sure they would say the same about you. Who is the greater “authority” on the matter?

    as I say, anybody can find a way to see chi as connected to just about anything they want. That doesn’t make it true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    and I am sure they would say the same about you. Who is the greater “authority” on the matter?

    as I say, anybody can find a way to see chi as connected to just about anything they want. That doesn’t make it true.
    Of course they (and you) are entitled to their opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Dragon View Post
    Of course they (and you) are entitled to their opinion.

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    That is really all that this particular topic boils down to: one’s opinion. People will choose to believe what they feel makes sense, or makes them feel good or right about the issue.
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    Opinions can be right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    Opinions can be right or wrong.
    Yes they can. When an opinion is based on evidence and facts, it is more likely to be truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    Yes they can. When an opinion is based on evidence and facts, it is more likely to be truth.
    Especially when ALL evidence and facts are considered, not just the ones that fit your presuppositions. This is common regardless of the position one takes.
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    Short answer "No" as "chi" was defined by the Chinese.

    Obi Wan Kenobi: The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

    "Chi" matches the Star Wars definition of the "force" in many aspects. It would NOT match the idea of the Holy Spirit, as taught by Christianity. The Holy Spirit is a PART of God manifest for us to be able to understand, when Jesus talked about the Holy Spirit coming after he was gone, he used the word "another" which meant an exact replica or copy. The Holy Spirit is not something outside that can be controlled and manipulated by our wishes.

    "For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

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