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    just checking out this forum.. i see the term lunge stance alot.. can someone please explain what that is to me? any pictures, video clips. applications, etc?

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    Assume a forward bow. Now, take the heel of your rear leg and lift it shifing your weight to the ball of the foot at the same time relaxing the leg allowing it to bend at the knee. You should feel more "mobile." It's not quite a close kneel, but it's not a forward bow either. Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Assume a forward bow. Now, take the heel of your rear leg and lift it shifing your weight to the ball of the foot at the same time relaxing the leg allowing it to bend at the knee. You should feel more "mobile." It's not quite a close kneel, but it's not a forward bow either. Hope that helps.
    So your hips are square to the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    So your hips are square to the front?

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    Pretty much. Just as with a forward bow this stance is a transition and not meant to be "held" for any prolonged period of time. A good example of transitioning from a neutral bow to a lunge stance is in the execution of a reverse punch. Very simular to what you'd see a boxer do. 8 time world champion and one of the kenpoist featured in "The Journey" Steve "Sanders" Mohammed was famous for effectively using this stance.

    Proponents of the stance hold that though what you lose in stability is negligable, and it is worth it because you gain a little more penetration on your strike and gain more mobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Proponents of the stance hold that though what you lose in stability is negligable, and it is worth it because you gain a little more penetration on your strike and gain more mobility.
    No complaints from me, apparently I use it all the time. What do you call the stance that is like the neutral bow, but your heel is up?

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    OHH! iv been refering to those as a modified forward/reverse/neutral bow.. you dont have "as much" stability, but you have far better mobility) try manuvering to the side with your heel locked down! we do those alot at my school.. but sometimes there's situations you NEED to have a good forward/reverse/neutral.. like in a buckle.. or for structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    No complaints from me, apparently I use it all the time. What do you call the stance that is like the neutral bow, but your heel is up?

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    ....a neutral bow. LOL. We actually teach to slightly stay on the balls of the feet. Though at first glance it may appear that we are "flat footed" we are not. Our school focuses on mobility and not staying still. Stick and move, stick and move. It also allows for more "explosiveness" from your foot maneuvers. IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    What do you call the stance that is like the neutral bow, but your heel is up?

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    wide kneel

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    The only time I heard a reference to lunge was when I took fencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu View Post
    The only time I heard a reference to lunge was when I took fencing.
    Was the footwork similar?
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    What we term as a lunge stance is the position you are in at the very end of the reverse punch. Calling it a stance is slightly incorrect, though, because you do not stay in it at all. If one were to take a snapshot at that moment, that is what you would have.
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    Good point. I think that most "stances", with the exception of the neutral bow, are primaril transitional in nature and not meant to be "held" for any prolonged period of time.

    Depending on the maneuver being executed, these "transitional stances" also serve to aid in the delivery of those maneuvers. For instance, when executing a reverse punch the lunge stance aids you by giving you additional penetration and providing tourque.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Good point. I think that most "stances", with the exception of the neutral bow, are primaril transitional in nature and not meant to be "held" for any prolonged period of time.

    Depending on the maneuver being executed, these "transitional stances" also serve to aid in the delivery of those maneuvers. For instance, when executing a reverse punch the lunge stance aids you by giving you additional penetration and providing tourque.
    The way we do it, the lunge provides the penetration thru forward motion, but the torque comes from the hip rotation.
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    Hmmm... I'm familiar with the stance and it's use. We've just always called it a modified close-kneel.

    The one thing that throws me off about calling this transitional stance a "Lunge Stance" is that I picture someone bending slightly forward at the waist when they are "lunging". In Kenpo we're supposed to keep our posture erect aren't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Lear View Post
    Hmmm... I'm familiar with the stance and it's use. We've just always called it a modified close-kneel.

    The one thing that throws me off about calling this transitional stance a "Lunge Stance" is that I picture someone bending slightly forward at the waist when they are "lunging". In Kenpo we're supposed to keep our posture erect aren't we?
    I used to call it that. But "lunge" is quicker.

    There was another thread discussing this, and most people envisioned the forward lean because they think of the fencers' lunge. As I understand it, you do keep your back straight, posture upright as you execute this stance. And it is very transitional, very quick- one of its strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Lear View Post
    Hmmm... I'm familiar with the stance and it's use. We've just always called it a modified close-kneel.

    The one thing that throws me off about calling this transitional stance a "Lunge Stance" is that I picture someone bending slightly forward at the waist when they are "lunging". In Kenpo we're supposed to keep our posture erect aren't we?

    The lunge stance as taught by the IKCA does not lean forward. The shoulders square and are centered above the hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdparsons View Post
    The lunge stance as taught by the IKCA does not lean forward. The shoulders square and are centered above the hips.

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    Same here. As a matter of fact, at the end, there is a slight forward push with the rear hip to help drive it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpodave View Post
    Same here. As a matter of fact, at the end, there is a slight forward push with the rear hip to help drive it through.
    I wonder if that's where the extra penetration comes from?
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    Combination of the rear hip push, the torque from the hips turning, and the additional forward momentum derived from utilizing the lunge stance vs. the forward bow all contribute to the added penetration, plus the correct fist configuration.

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    Just one more little side note about the lunge stance, is that it can also be a strike. For those of you who know it or have seen it picture the last knee strike in Leaping Tiger. Although I have found the knee bend is a bit deeper than 45 degrees when with a partner, that part of technique as explained to me is basically a lunge stance.

    Perhaps to get rid of the vision of a leaning lunge stance, perhaps picture someone doing lunges in the gym. Back is straight, head is up, feet are facing 12 o clock, front knee is over lead foot, rear leg is bent at 45 degress, rear heal pointing up. Only real difference is in our case our hands are either up, or doing something, where in the gym they would be holding weights or resting on the hips.
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