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    Here is a question for the more learned Contributors such as Doc, Dennis Conatser, Mike Lambert, and Mr. Hale, etc....

    At the ECKS camp this weekend a question arose about the beginning of the form. When you do Glancing Lance the First time you bring the right foot to the left into an attention stance as the hands clear down , out and then into push downs. The question is why do we do this addition to the technique here but not in the second time we do the technique. Several theories were floated about, I would love to here from those who may have some more knowledge.
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    Here is a question for the more learned Contributors such as Doc, Dennis Conatser, Mike Lambert, and Mr. Hale, etc....

    At the ECKS camp this weekend a question arose about the beginning of the form. When you do Glancing Lance the First time you bring the right foot to the left into an attention stance as the hands clear down , out and then into push downs. The question is why do we do this addition to the technique here but not in the second time we do the technique. Several theories were floated about, I would love to here from those who may have some more knowledge.

    I think it allows for the fluid (Flowering Hands concept). The form is ment to be continuios without breaks in motion, so the tranistion has a filler in it. Just my thoughts
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    I have often thought that it matched 4 but with the hands starting the 2nd side of the technique with a different point of origin.

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    This Form is showing the Reverse hand motion of the Salutation and it also
    shows the position of the hands being in the Point of Origin ...down so they may pick up the threat on the 12/6 line of having the hands down and under the attackers arm. Pay attention to the opening as it is showing a few principles here of what you shoudln't do and what you should do against a knife attack.
    This technique also shows a dual message as it also is the isolation at the end of the Form as well. Up until this point notice how we have been
    applying the double factor principle since Short Form 3.....Food for thought!!!
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    There are many variations of this form taught over the years, and the original version I recall did indeed have the symmetry, (although flawed technique) on the opening sequence. Along the way, this form became THE form for competition and its popularity and desire to make it "flow," fostered some "minor changes" for the purposes of presentation. I believe that was one of them.

    Although some still hold this form in high regard as a teaching vehicle, truth is it really is just a competition form, with very little functional aspects, much like the three forms that proceed it. It's primary purpose was, and always has been to promote "movement" and it's unstated theme of "flowing weapons disarms" is dangerous and inpractical in application. A quick look at the first technique, (thrusting knife defense) will validate that perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post

    A question arose about the beginning of form 6.

    When you do Glancing Lance the First time you bring the right foot to the left into an attention stance as the hands clear down , out and then into push downs.

    The question is: Why do we do this addition to the technique here but not in the second time we do the technique.
    After executing the 1st side of this technique, you will be slightly off to the right a bit.... so..... to regain centerline you move your right foot back to the left and now can start the opposite side from the same starting position as the 1st side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenOne View Post
    After executing the 1st side of this technique, you will be slightly off to the right a bit.... so..... to regain centerline you move your right foot back to the left and now can start the opposite side from the same starting position as the 1st side.

    That makes a lot of sense to me Dennis.....thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenOne View Post
    After executing the 1st side of this technique, you will be slightly off to the right a bit.... so..... to regain centerline you move your right foot back to the left and now can start the opposite side from the same starting position as the 1st side.

    It explains the stepping but what about the actions of the hands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenOne View Post
    After executing the 1st side of this technique, you will be slightly off to the right a bit.... so..... to regain centerline you move your right foot back to the left and now can start the opposite side from the same starting position as the 1st side.
    Makes a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    It explains the stepping but what about the actions of the hands?
    The first side starts with your hands at your sides... then execute the technique... when done... the hand jestures signify a "clearing" mode then hands are down again for the 2nd side.


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